Republicans defending Confederate symbols?

That's a tired argument

Democrats of 1865 are not the Democrats of 2020

And Republicans of 1865 are not the Republicans of 2020

 

I think that it is you who is distorting history. The Republican Party formed as a coalition between those who wanted women to have the right to vote, those who wanted to make alcohol illegal, and those who wanted to abolish slavery. The anti slavery forces had begun to grow in the 1830’s and were instrumental in getting Lincoln elected. The Civil War really began in Kansas in 1856 when hostilities broke out over the issue of slavery. Settlers from New England wanted to live in a state free of slaves, and the settlers from Missouri wanted to have slaves. There were even members of Congress who violently clashed over the issue. Lincoln may have fought the war to hold the Union together, but it was slavery that was breaking the country apart.

Your argument that only a few Southerners held slaves doesn’t really hold up as there were many families who owned just a single slave. Even for those poor Whites who held no slaves, society was so, that even they could boss around slaves. After the war, once the Feds left, the South resorted to a society where Blacks were always treated as sub human. Even the lowest White could boss around just about any Black. The great Black migrations to places like Chicago and Detroit were the result of Blacks fleeing the brutality they had faced in the South. They were still treated as second class citizens, but at least they could hold jobs, even open a business and own a home. Live in relative peace. A lot of Black music came from the cotton fields of the South, but they had to go to Chicago and Detroit to express it to the world.

 

South African during the colonization period had almost zero blacks. As time went on more and more wanted to live in this country that was so much more prosperous compared to their tribal life. They grew in size now with a European diet and African breeding habits... The British Empire begin their decolonization period and South Africa was left on their own with an international community looking to dismantle them. Just like Rwanda before where both the Western powers and Communists sided together.

Now you have whites as second class citizens who get labeled as racists for having a government that was harsh with the blacks. Suddenly without this heavy hand the murders went from relatively low double digits to five to six figures every year with a black controlled government. They're looking to do what Ghana did and push the farmers out or even worse just execute them for their ancestors crime(s). This is no different than what the USA is experiencing. Eventually the minorities will be in control and they'll start culling whites. Being white in of itself is considered a sin in this new movement. You're inherently racist if you're white... the new original sin.

Also to suggest that the "Slippery Slope" fallacy is somehow works we went from gays getting married to people chopping their dicks off. There are even calls for pedo behavior to be considered a sexuality. There is no end to the degeneracy. We were at blacks getting freedom, to blacks getting "equal" rights, to affirmative action, easier employment, secured employment, legal protection, higher status for their ethnic color, people kneeling before them because of their new sin, and we're seeing reparations as a good choice to make. It won't end until whites are enslaved, displaced, or dead.

 

Because you fail to understand that they aren't defending monuments. They are defending the preservation of history, good and bad. They still believe in freedom of expression.

 

Except for the millions of Xhosa and Zulu that already lived there. When your opening sentence is blatant and obvious bullshit, readily debunked with a simple Google search, the drivel that follows is automatically dismissed out of hand.

NEXT!!!

 

Take a look again. Very similar to New England with there being largely untouched areas where suddenly the "natives" show up who are migratory. Good try with your shitty 00s Jon Stewart meme.

 

Most countries are inherently racist, it just part of the human DNA to be attracted to your own and to distance yourself from those not aligned with your culture and traditions.. And Blacks certainly aren't immune from attraction to cultural and traditional ties either.. On a personal level, I'm attracted to people I feel comfortable around socially. I certainly don't want to spend my time calculating chit-chat and if it will somehow be misconstrued as insulting, bigoted and unacceptable to some other race that is judging my every word in a social setting.. Aside from this PC forum I prefer to converse candidly and without pause and worry about how someone thinks I should see things and how I should voice them..

 

The Civil WAR began when Lincoln invaded the Confederate States of America in order to bring those slaves states back into the Union with their slavery intact along side the other Union slave states because slavery was LEGAL in the UNITED STATES. Some might say Ft. Sumter where the Union was trying to occupy and previously unoccupied fort from which they could blockade a Confederate port which would be an act of war but the invasion by the Union is where the WAR started.

I have made no such argument.

 

Well they certainly are the Democrat party of the 60's The DP can run all the bullshit they like but their modern brand of indentured slavery is front and center and overwhelmingly obvious in 2020

 

Deservedly so why not? They tried to defend their states, the homes and farms and businesses and churches of the citizens of their states some giving their lives in the process as did hundreds of thousands of the sons and daughters from a Union army hellbent on total destruction.

 

The Democrats built these monuments, but now its REPUBLICANS who are defending them!!!

 

So, why are the Republicans getting so upset about the removal of the Confederate monuments/statutes?

 

Thank you!

 

So the current Democrats in the South were once Republicans? (And Republicans of 1865 are not the Republicans of 2020) Sorry, but that only works if you are Black.

Sorry to inform you Lesh, but most of the ancestors of slave owners that lost their slaves in 1865 are still Democrats.

And many of the ancestors of yeoman who never owned slaves are now Republicans.

 

The vast majority of Confederate soldiers were not slave owners.

And there are many Southerners who had ancestors who were in the Confederate ranks.
Many had no social choice other than to commit to the social order.
The elites lost political control of the rank and file after the war.
Many of the Confederate monuments were erected by Progressives to try to pull back many, and the following generation, who were disenchanted with the slaveholder social order.

Shades of Woodrow Wilson and his Re-Segregation agenda.

 

INCOME DISPARITY!

And the voters of 1865 aren't the voters of 2020.

And so what? We are supposedly more educated, that's what.

But we as a nation still have one of the worst Income Disparities of any developed nation.

And if you don't believe that, you need only visit this OECD-site that ranks nations. The US has the highest Income Disparity of any comparable set-of-nations (for instance the European Union)

And whyzat? Because of higher taxation and redistribution of income. Howzat?

The two most costly programs in the EU are National Healthcare and Post-secondary Education. By far, the most costly spending program in the US is the DoD that swallows whole more than 50% of all Discretionary Spending ...

PS: To wit, from here (a bit dated but still comparatively relevant):

PPS: The DoD budget for 2020 is $735B

 

Pie-chart from Petersen Foundation (2019):


For just half that amount above spent on Free National Healthcare would save more American lives than the DoD ... !

 

So how is it that Southern states support Republican politicians?

 

It was the United States. There was no Confederate States of America to invade. That was an illegal "confederation" designed to protect the institution of slavery

 

What good does being able to boss a slave around when you were killed or your family was killed and your home and farm burned to the ground?

And if they wanted to save slavery, all they needed to do was sign the Corwin amendment. No war necessary.

 

In politics, things change over time. Still, I wonder if it is getting any better, however.

How can the US be a First-class Democracy when the winner of the presidency lost the popular-vote? That's unthinkable in any other democratic nation on earth. (For instance, the European Union - for which Americans fought and died to free from Nazism!)

How can the US be a First-class Democracy if those elected to both state and national parliaments are done so by means of gerrymandered districts in the states.

From here: Effects (of Gerrymandering)

As a nation, we need to rid ourselves of not only the above manipulations of the popular-vote but also the Big-Money Effect on elections*. In Europe, for instance, the amount of money that one can contribute to a political party is limited annually for each voting individual. There has been as much political machination in Europe as in the US - and it must stop in both.

Period ... !

*It would help if we stopped all advertising but allowed more presidential candidate debates before elections! Politicians should not be SOLD like Coca-cola!

 

If you and I have a contract and I violate its terms and ignore the courts orders to cease are you still required to remain in the partnership?

 

Yes, all the above was true.

But let's not forget that their were also other practical advances that change the way work was done. For example, the steam-engine had been invented (in 1712) and after James Watt in 1778 made some very effective enhancements it became a major work-machine - first in the transport of goods/people (by train) but also farm tractors when a John Frolic invented the gas-engine powered farming tractor in 1892.

This latter invention is what the great expanse of land needed to expand agriculture throughout the US. Then of course, there are the wars, that always seem to advance technologies - which is unfortunate in a way.

But, also why necessity is the mother of invention ...

 

Oh do they?

Well, here is what the nation does as a whole when voting:



Not to mention the widening differences in party coalitions:

And the gender-gap:


Etc. etc. etc ....

 

Indeed, the CSA wasn't recognized by a single country on Earth.

if you are not recognized, you are not a country. Just an illegal rebellion.