Sen. Tim Kaine: "The United States didn't inherit slavery from anybody. We created it."

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  1. Bluesguy

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    What did the Democrats and Obama do?
     
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    Yes and yes, but in both cases, reparations were paid to the live people. You're asking to be paid for something that's been done to you pre-pre-pre-pre's

    I say, nyet!
     
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    No that fight was to stop the practice, it did nothing to pay restitution for the damage that was done.
     
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    As who said, Bluesguy? You are confusing yourself. Why do you lie and say I say things I never said. That is straight from your playbook of the American Neo-Authorities school of political philosophy.

    Your implied support of "we are third from the bottom, we are third from the bottom" is disgusting.
     
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    Would it make you feel better if I agree with you that restitution should have been paid back then, to the people who were wronged?
     
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    To the actual persons who were interned by the government. If you can find any blacks who we interned by the government make your case.

    For actual land that was seized from actual tribes. If you can find actual tribes of blacks that had their land siezed make your case. And much of those reparations were in the form of trust to fund housing and education and health care are you denying the US government has not spent trillions on such programs for blacks in this country?
     
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    Yes Obama thought people should get a living wage by sitting at home on their ass
     
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    As did Trump and the GOP in the bill they passed this spring for the workers. Stay at home, don't go back to work.
     
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    Yes to combat the Chinese virus. Obama however just created poverty
     
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    Reducing regulations did improve the economy: there is no proof.

    Lowering taxes only further empowered the rich.

    The trade embargoes outweighed any trade deals.

    We lost 70% more manufacturing jobs than were created.

    Border control meant concentration camps where covid is running rampant.
     
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    You mean the Trumpvirus that our president reacted to far too late.
     
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    No, I have no idea what you are talking about.

    maybe you’ve been living under a rock bit we have been dealin with the Chinese virus
     
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    JakeStarkey said:
    You mean the Trumpvirus that our president reacted to far too late.

    The President reacted to the Trumpvirus far too late, and that will cost him the election by itself.

    As of this morning,
    121,512 dead
    +606 last 24 hours
     
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    He reacted very fast and save millions of lives
     
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    No, struth, he certainly did not, and the American electorate knows that.
     
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    The movement that abolished the slave trade and slavery in the 19th century was a radical Christian movement that disappeared after accomplishing its mission. Before the abolisionist movement slavery was a fact of life. As the progressive movement displaced radical Christian activism slavery returned.

    “The reason slavery exists is that we let it – and that it we let it be so profitable. Last week the Guardian revealed research by Siddharth Kara, a US slavery economist, that showed slave traders today make a return on their investment 25 to 30 times higher than their counterparts from more than two centuries ago. With slavery’s global profits estimated at $150bn a year, it is now a criminal industry on a par with arms and drug trafficking.”
    THE GUARDIAN, The Guardian view on slavery today: a product of greed, prejudice and war, There are more people enslaved now than over four centuries of slave-trading. Little wonder as it generates 25 times the profits made two centuries ago. We must act to end this trade in misery, Editorial, 8/07/17.
    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ry-today-a-product-of-greed-prejudice-and-war
     
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    Because the state governments by decree had shutdown their jobs dying a global pandemic. You are unable to make that intellectual distinction?
     
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    Some of the states did that and some of the states did not, and a whole lot of businesses voluntarily furloughed their work forces.
     
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    What you fail to understand is that a claim that is rooted in the idea that law creation is the creator of any activity is illogical and stupid.

    So, if we had no speeding laws, then nobody speeds. But once the law is created, the concept of speeding was invented by the legislator that enacated the law?

    Sorry. Thats dumb.
     
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    Ahh.. so that qualified your argument to hate on America.

    We all know that slavert continued to exist around the world and still continues to this day.

    But you want to slam the USA so you have to qualify your cherry picked data.

    Got it.
     
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    Nah he did.
     
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    It is interesting to note that not even the noble, egalitarian, erudite Europeans made slavery illegal until fairly recently. Great Britain abolished slavery in 1833... and, in France it was completely eliminated in 1848.

    Both of those countries did away with slavery without having a Civil War -- but we had one in the U. S., and that war ended up getting over 618,000 men in both the Union and Confederate military forces killed in the fighting....

    Truthfully, though, although 'slavery', per se, was, as you've indicated, a very large part of the issue, the very most vital thing of overriding importance was that of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, and STATES RIGHTS! And, the most lasting horrible effect of the Civil War was that of President Lincoln being successful in destroying the 10th Amendment -- forever....

    The 10th Amendment to the Constitution, shown here exactly as written, with my emphases in red:

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Thus, the Federal Government had no right (NO RIGHT) to tell any states in the United States what they could, or could not do, unless it was specifically described in the Constitution.

    [​IMG]. "Bullshit! The Tenth Amendment means what I say it means -- or else...!" :machinegun:
     
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    1. So me where I have slammed the USA.

    2. Quit celebrating "we are third from the bottom, we are third from the bottom."

    3. Historical accourage is never hate.
     
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    I could have read the right wing talking points anywhere, is that why black folks unemployment rate is more than double that of whites.

    No more than the whites who are doing the same thing.

    What is causing you to commit so much crime? Are you uneducated and not working hard.
     
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    The Old South had tremendous power in the USG to negotiate an end to slavery that was favorable to their interests. Instead they chose secession and war. Thanks to Beauregard Lincoln did not have to consider the 10th amendment.
    No wonder the USG named a fort after the idiot.
    No wonder the DP wants to change the name of that fort. ;-)
     
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