Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

Wooo, that sounds serious.
I trust you will be praying for me --for my soul. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.


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Cato is a radical Right-wing think-tank with no credibility. My cartoon has more credibility.

 

My favorite of your phony stats, 20 to 60 million killed in one year!!!!!

 

It's my understanding/belief that mortality is part of the plan of salvation and is a probationary period to determine our eternal outcome by our choices, words and actions.

 

That sounds about right at least as I understand what I read.
We surely do die.
And our choices determine our eternal destiny. John 3:16 . . . Etcetera
Agreed.
Of course I don't know what other conclusions you have in mind, if any?
Thanks for the comment and for taking a look at my Opening Post.

Feel free to expand your thoughts.

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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+45:7&version=KJV

 

Cato is not radical.
Cato is not Right Wing.
Cato is highly credible {if you are a Libertarian}
Cato is a Libertarian think tank.
I am not an admirer of the Cato Institute --so you have my
blessings to bad-mouth them to your heart's content.

May The Farce be with you.

Scott Me Up Beamy.


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I meant mortality as in this life into which we are born, grow, experience and then exit to return from whence we came. So I agree with Plantinga in regards to free will as a means of self measure and, imo, advancement.,,,owing to Gods charity and excellence of judgment of course, by virtue of his victory over sin, death and hell. He answered the demands of justice for our sakes I believe. The little parts he has left to us to do, to believe, to repent, to be baptized, to exercise the attributes he has folded into our hearts and souls. So that we might say, oh look what we have done, like toddlers learning to walk. But even our acquired confidence is his gift and patience. God is wonderful.

 

Amen to all that.
I appreciate all that you said.
I see you have over 7000 posts here.
You must know PF very well.
What are your main interests?
Do you read in PF's Religion and Philosophy a lot?
You post a lot in the Political forums?
What are your thoughts on the Catholic Church?
You have an interesting siggy. Want to expand on that?
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`Thought For Today:

“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such
times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to
decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
___J.R.R. Tolkien



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Libertarian = radical Right-winger ashamed to admit it!

 

False.

libertarianism - a political philosophy that advocates only minimal
state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens.

Libertarianism (from Latin: libertas, meaning "freedom"), or libertarism (from French: libertaire,
meaning "libertarian"), is a political philosophy and movement that upholds liberty as a core principle.[1]
Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice,
voluntary association and individual judgment.[2] Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and
state power, but they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political
systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate
functions of state and private power, often calling for the restriction or dissolution of coercive
social institutions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

 

"6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

In other words, forming light in darkness creates or shows the darkness by contrast. And by making peace, the evil becomes more apparent.

 

"6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."


In other words, forming light in darkness creates or shows the darkness by contrast. And by making peace, the evil becomes apparent or unto itself as it could not be recognized by itself without the presence and contrast of peace, imo. So is God telling you what you want to hear? Or maybe the truth suffers in translation. It is very old. To me it is in fact the very essence of a revelation where light enters ones mind, and peace ones heart. And as a result, ones own darkness and evil are known.

 

The exact screed of the radical Right.

 

False.

 

Adolf Hitler: Christian
Josef Stalin: Christian

They were all Christians. What do you expect?

 

False.

On Josef Stalin:
Start quote.
"During his time in power, Stalin had a complex relationship with religion.
He officially adopted the Russian Communist Party’s stance on religion,
claiming atheism and continuing the tradition of teaching atheism in
schools and propagating the idea that religion was only damaging to a
perfect communist society. Stalin even took it further than his predecessor,
Lenin, and initiated a nationwide campaign to destroy churches and
religious property and even persecute and kill church officials.3 It is
said that under Stalin, the Russian Orthodox Church went from
50,000 to 500 open and operating churches.4

Stalin once said:
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God… all this talk about
God is sheer nonsense.5:__Josef Stalin

But for all accounts and purposes, Stalin was a hardcore atheist
until the day he died.
End quote.
https://hollowverse.com/joseph-stalin/

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On Adolph Hitler:
Start quote.
Otto Strasser was a German politician and an early member of the Nazi Party,
he together with his brother Gregor Strasser, was a leading member of the
party's left-wing faction . . . Strasser stated that he was disappointed with
Hitler because:[80]

"We are Christians; without Christianity Europe is lost. Hitler is an atheist."
— Otto Strasser

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Ernst Hanfstaengl was a German-American businessman and intimate friend
of Adolf Hitler . . . .He later described Hitler to be an atheist to all intents
and purposes:[81]

"He was to all intents and purposes an atheist by the time."
— Ernst Hanfstaengl
End quote.
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler_on_atheism

 

See My Post Just Above This One On The Atheists Hitler and Stalin.

Adolph Hitler and Josef Stalin were two atheistic mass murderers.

All these below were atheistic mass murderers.
Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot.
Start quote.
"The Death Toll From Statism: Civilians Killed By Governments - excluding wars
China (communists) 35 million
Germany (total 20th century) 21 million
The Holocaust (1938-1945) 6 million
Soviet Union (total 20th century) 62 million
Stalinist Purges 1930 -1930 -- 20 -60 million
Cambodia (1975-1979) 1 -2 million"
End quote.

Source: It's getting Better All The Time: 100 Greatest Trends Of The Last 100 Years
by Stephen Moore and Julian Simon
page 16
published by the Cato Institute.
Moore and Simon got the above from Statistics Of Democide by Rudy J. Rummel
as cited in The Economist magazine.

 

Yes the atheist Josef Stalin could really stack and pile the
dead corpses of the 20 to 60 million human beings that he murdered
The atheist mass murderer Stalin was an accomplished atheistic
killer and a successful accomplished atheistic mass genocidal murderer.

On Josef Stalin:
Start quote.
"During his time in power, Stalin had a complex relationship with religion.
He officially adopted the Russian Communist Party’s stance on religion,
claiming atheism and continuing the tradition of teaching atheism in
schools and propagating the idea that religion was only damaging to a
perfect communist society. Stalin even took it further than his predecessor,
Lenin, and initiated a nationwide campaign to destroy churches and
religious property and even persecute and kill church officials.3 It is
said that under Stalin, the Russian Orthodox Church went from
50,000 to 500 open and operating churches.4

Stalin once said:
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God… all this talk about
God is sheer nonsense.5:__Josef Stalin

But for all accounts and purposes, Stalin was a hardcore atheist
until the day he died.
End quote.
https://hollowverse.com/joseph-stalin/

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All these below were atheistic mass murderers.
Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot.
Start quote.
"The Death Toll From Statism: Civilians Killed By Governments - excluding wars
China (communists) 35 million
Germany (total 20th century) 21 million
The Holocaust (1938-1945) 6 million
Soviet Union (total 20th century) 62 million
Stalinist Purges 1930 -1930 -- 20 -60 million
Cambodia (1975-1979) 1 -2 million"
End quote.

Source: It's getting Better All The Time: 100 Greatest Trends Of The Last 100 Years
by Stephen Moore and Julian Simon
page 16
published by the Cato Institute.
Moore and Simon got the above from Statistics Of Democide by Rudy J. Rummel
as cited in The Economist magazine.


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Yup, but it is insane to try to blame his murderous policies on atheism rather than his twisted political convictions.

 

I will admit that it is arguable.
I will admit that its impossible to prove either way.
It cannot be proven that his atheism was his one and only
motivation.
It cannot be proven that his twisted political convictions were
his one and only motivation.
It is reasonable to believe that BOTH played at least SOME
part in his murderous activities.
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I try to be reasonable in my claims.
I once did a thread on another Forum titled:
Who Has Killed The Most -- Secular Killers Or Religious Killers?
I concluded that the truth is BOTH have killed a HUGE number
of people.
World War 1 and World War 2 was fought between mostly Christian
states. The American Civil War was fought between the Christian
North and the Christian South. The American Revolutionary War
was fought between Christian England and Christian America.
All the dead from all that was in the tens of millions. So? So
Christians are not pacifists by any means.


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OR, at least at some time in the last 1000 years he could have done something, and maybe every 100 years, to prove convincingly that he exists and prove what he is. But no. Nothing.

Let me ask every believer this: for all your praying, do you seriously believe you have been the recipient of better luck, better events, better fate than the vast majority of those who aren't so interested in religion? This includes people who claim to be Christians but rarely bother going to church.

 

LOL!!!! Bullshit! EVERYONE who is not brainwashed knows better.
https://preview.redd.it/obdiokrxkgh11.gif?format=mp4&s=0c398f7c1c45fa1879caa3547215a101819fc9da

 

He has provided a huge amount of proof that He exists and to
prove what He is.
But you cannot access that proof using the tools of Empiricism
and Rationalism.

In order to access this huge body of proof you have to use the
correct tools and that means you have to be willing to exercise
Faith. Christianity is a Faith --- it is not a philosophical intellectual
system that can be demonstrated true with Empiricism and Logic
and Rationalism or any other secular tool. Its just not possible to
measure or test the World Of Faith with the same tools used to
test scientific theories.

If you could present arguments for the existence of God that rose
to the certainty-level of 20 + 20 = 40 --- you would thereby
eliminate faith from Christianity and doing that would destroy
and wreck Christianity Why? Because the core principle of
Christianity is faith. You would then NOT want to become a
believer. Why become a believer in a Christianity that has
been wrecked? John 3:16 is Christendom's most famous
Bible verse. It says that God loved the world, and that He
gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him
shall not perish but have eternal life. "Believes" demands
Faith. So? So we just wrecked and destroyed Christianity's
core bible verse.

Demonstrate with empiricism and logic that Christianity
is true at the certainty-level of 20 + 20 = 40 and you then
no longer have to exercise FAITH in God.

It does NOT require any FAITH to believe that 20 + 20 = 40

These 5 Bible verses below would no longer be needed and
would no longer be true.

■ "without faith it is impossible to please God"

■ "for by grace are you saved through faith"

■ "he that comes to God must believe that He exists and that
He rewards those who earnestly seek Him"

■ "believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved"

■ God gave His only Son that whoever believes on Him shall
not perish but have eternal life

■ And the HUNDREDS of other Bible verses that demand faith
would no longer be needed or be true.

 

LOL!!!! So now you think faith is proof. FAITH IS ALL YOU HAVE IF YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE.