Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

Hard not to mock a spell in the 21st century which is what an atheist would think of your incantations. Luckily you have directed it at a fellow atheist and not a theist of a different brand, they can get very upset when you utter what they consider to be your false gods woo woo. Plenty of wars, suicide bombings and torture have taken place because of the wrong magic directed at the wrong person.

 

You have chosen a false messiah to follow but it's not your fault. Jesus was one of a million prophets ... but not the messiah. It was primitive and superstitious Jews who turned their backs on the promise of the true messiah's arrival and they forsook humanity by inventing a false one.

 

None of that has anything to do with you and I having
a "civil moment" and a "polite moment." I wrote you
a sincere prayer and gave you a sincere Bible verse.
Neither one did any harm to you and there was no
harm intended ---only good intended. But , , , ,

You even mock and ridicule when I made a sincere
prayer for you {and for us all} I was trying to be nice
to you. But you took my effort to be nice to you, as
another opportunity to mock and ridicule.

Monty Python is just more mocking and more
ridicule.

Its nothing to be proud of.

_________


We all have our own views and our own beliefs
and our own opinions. There is no reason why
humans who disagree with each other, cannot
or should not be civil and polite to each each
other when discussing issues.

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Yeah such as that is typical of how you post.
My view is that's why you don't enjoy any lengthy discussions.
The truth is you're no fun to talk to. Your posts are no fun
to read. They are packed with insults and unhappiness.
With regard to Christians, you're fond of posting "they don't
come here to discuss, they come here to preach" -- but when
any Christian tries to have a discussion or conversation with
you, you immediately "fly into a rage" and start postings insults
and accusations. You have no more intention of carrying on a
serious discussion with any Christian -- than I have of going
to the Moon. You're here to mock and ridicule and insult.

 

I am trying to help you while you are sticking superstitious hocus-pocus in my face. Between the two of us, it is I who is the congenial one. It is the fact that you are acting indignant about my opinion of Christianity that is full-blown proof that your "faith" is shaky. But that's what Christianity does ... it makes you dependant like a dangerous drug you cannot let loose for fear of striking out on your own and thinking for yourself.

I am very proud of my paternal instincts and the fact that I am being very gentle on you.

 

It is you who "flies into a rage" ... not Hillman. He doesn't look the slightest bit angry, but you do.

 

False.
"Birds of a feather flock together."
By the way, you have zero arguments.

I am still waiting for you to produce.

Where is your argument that proves
Jake Bird was a Christian?
Answer: You don't have one.

Where is your argument that proves Jeffery Dahmer
was a Christian when he committed those murders?
Answer; You don't have one.

But what do you have?

You have this:

* Mockery
* Ridicule
* Emoticons
* Big Font
* Bold Font.
* Quotes from people you admire
* Video bytes
* Cartoons
* Big pictures


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I feel sorry for you.

 

If you want to help me, start producing arguments
that support your false claims.

I am still waiting for you to produce arguments.

Where is your argument that proves
Jake Bird was a Christian?
Answer: You don't have one.

Where is your argument that proves Jeffery Dahmer
was a Christian when he committed those murders?
Answer: You don't have one.

If you want to help me, then stop posting this kind of stuff:
* Mockery
* Ridicule
* Emoticons that mock and ridicule
* Video bytes that mock and ridicule
* Cartoons that mock and ridicule
* Big pictures that mock and ridicule

* False.
* I post no hocus-pocus.
* But you post claims that are false. {eg. Jake Bird & Jeffery Dahmer}
* Also thread participation is 100% voluntarily.
* If you don't like what I post, is there someone forcing you
to read it? No there is not.

False.
You specialize in this below and it is NOT congenial.
* Mockery
* Ridicule
* Emoticons that mock and ridicule
* Video bytes that mock and ridicule
* Cartoons that mock and ridicule
* Big pictures that mock and ridicule

False.

False.
I have strong faith.

False.

Your posts are nothing to be proud of.
You have no arguments.
You make false claims.
You do not back them up with arguments.
{eg. Jake Bird & Jeffery Dahmer}
And there is a lot MORE of your claims in this thread
that are false -- that I can easily go and find.

You post mockery and ridicule.
You specialize in such as this:
* Mockery
* Ridicule
* Emoticons that mock and ridicule
* Big Font
* Bold Font.
* Video bytes that mock and ridicule
* Cartoons that mock and ridicule
* Big pictures that mock and ridicule

Your posts are nothing to be proud of.


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That's at the Third Grade level of argumentation.
You should be ashamed to post such childishness.
Huge bold font -- scream and yell?
Are you having a tantrum?

Where is your argument that proves
Jake Bird was a Christian?
Answer: You don't have one.

Where is your argument that proves Jeffery Dahmer
was a Christian when he committed those murders?
Answer; You don't have one
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You specialize in such as this:
* Mockery
* Ridicule
* Emoticons that mock and ridicule
* Big Font
* Bold Font.
* Video bytes that mock and ridicule
* Cartoons that mock and ridicule
* Big pictures that mock and ridicule


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These verses refer to the end of the Jewish age. They are taken from the OT. John has simply used promises to the Jews as promises to Christianity. Much of Revelation's images come from the OT. The Essenes did the same thing, used OT images, with their Book of Revelation only instead of adding Jesus they added mother earth.

 

I am with Epicurus. He obviously thought very hard on it and I cannot improve on his ... syllogism, if that's what it is.

I deal with evil for a living, all day every day, and I cannot not see it or think it is aberrant.

 

Thanks for your comments. Interesting.
But I will have to disagree with you because of what
appears inside the passage I quoted:

"And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's
dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with
them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with
them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their
eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or
pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
___Revelation 21:3-4

The passage obviously refers to the end of human history.
Why? Because of these particulars inside the passage:
Note The Particulars:
{1} God's dwelling place is now among the people
He will dwell with them
{2} God Himself will be their God.
{3} God will wipe every tear from their eyes.
{4} There will be no more death.
{5} There will be no more mourning or crying or pain.
{6} For the old order of things has passed away.

So in my view, which ones are solid evidence that
Revelation 21:3-4 refers to the end of human history?
Answer: Numbers {5} and {6} in light of {4}
In other words {4} "There will be no more death"
cannot refer to the "end of the Jewish age"
and compellingly must refer to the end of human history.

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Thanks for your comment.

aberrant - departing from an accepted standard.

I don't understand exactly what you mean when you say
you cannot see evil as being aberrant. Can you expand
on what you mean?

Sorry about you having to deal with evil every day, I do
hope you're in no danger --- its getting very dangerous
"out there" for Law Enforcement Officers and other
Public Servants in related agencies.

____________


Sayeth Epicurus:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”__Epicurus


Regarding Epicurus: My view is that Epicurus misunderstood
the Omnipotence of God. Omnipotence does not mean that
God can do the impossible like make square circles or make
2 + 2 = 7, or give humans Free Will and at the same time
prevent them from using their Free Will to do evil.


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True. But it's the Jewish version of the end of history - not the Christian. God will raise up Israel to rule the world and all the world will recognise that Jahweh is the Supreme ruler. That's what Isaiah (53) is all about. The world will recognise what Israel, Jahwehs son, has been through, and will accept Jahweh. Incidentally there is NO Isaiah 53. Isaiah was written as one complete book about Israel, Jahwehs son. Millenia later the books were divided into chapters. Isaiah is simply about Israel. Christianity has simply misinterpreted for its own purposes. And they have done that time and again. Particularly in the Nativity stories of Matthew and Luke. The end of the Jewish age is the end of the world

 

Cool. That's good enough for me.

All I can do is just say thank you for your comments. I would
enjoy discussing all that up there with you -- but I have never
in my long life come across anything that even remotely relates
to what you are saying --- I mean like nothing , , , zero.

I do however have a position on the future of the nation of
Israel. My view is that the nation of Israel no longer has any
special role to play in God's Plan for humanity --- other than
the role of just another nation among the world's many nations.

But I am very much pro-Israel and I wish them well. They are
good fighters, brave, bold, and admirable. But I can't discuss
all that in this thread -- that would get us into Christian Eschatology
and I am a Postmillennialist -- which would open up a huge
Pandora's Box of all kinds of little "boogers" and "rabbit trails"
and we'd never "get out of that hole" , , , LOL , , ,we'd end up
in The Land Of Oz or somewhere worse.

Thanks again for your time and for your comments.


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I mean that there is evil everywhere and my job depends on my not just turning away from it, but rather facing it head on. I am profesionally required to look at it, deal with it, try my best to explain it or minimize it. It is not exceptional among humans, especially among my clients (it's de rigeur), therefore not aberrant, not in my world, anyway.

I think evil lurks in the hearts of all men, including my own. It's not continuous (unceasing), but it is continual (regularly recurring).

I am trying to retire by the end of the year. I'll be okay. And even if I'm not, I've already lived longer than most of my ancestors, so it's still okay. As Freddy Mercury sang, nothing really matters.

Do not listen to me. If you work in farming, or cultivate flowers or make music or paint or do any of a number of honorable things, you can avoid it more than I can.

Oh, and to be clear, I am not a hard boiled atheist. My favorites books are The Conservative Mind, which holds as a basis tenet that there is a prevailing moral order in the universe, The Civilization of the middle Ages, the Bible, and The Early Church. I struggle.

 

I'm happy that I could help.

 

You're making yourself look like a jerk. Why? Is anyone trying to force you to convert?

 

Why are you being sarcastic? You haven't helped. You've just spread ill will on the internet.

 

Offering fact, logic, sense, and advice to those in need is a humanitarian endeavour. If you see it as "sarcastic" and "ill-willed" then you are clearly in need yourself.

"Is god responsible for the evil in the world?" That is the title of this thread. Is it a 'sarcastic' insinuation? Does the mention of it 'spread ill will on the internet'? I take the question as seriously as my contribution to the subject. What about you?

Am I trying to force you to convert? Knowledge is power and the more knowledge & insight at your disposal the better you will be equipped in dealing with nonsense and superstition.

Do you see knowledge as an asset or a curse? That is the question for you. I hope that you will answer it honestly. And what about honesty? Is that an asset or a curse? I am here to help anyone in need. Including you.

 

No it wasn't!
It is still a lie even after the correction!
Your source is pure HOGWASH!
Even using the "unofficial" numbers your lying source inflated 1 million to 60 million, we can assume all their other stats are inflated 60 times also!

According to official figures there were 777,975 judicial executions for political charges from 1929–53, including 681,692 in 1937-38, the years of the Great Purge Unofficial estimates estimate a total number of Stalinism repression deaths in 1937–38 at 950,000–1,200,000.

 

Do the evil GOD created!!!
You are right about one thing, your Omnipotent God surely is Impotent!!!

Even God cannot change the past.
- Agathon

 

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.
- Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC)

 

Which leaves us wondering - is statistical dishonesty part of the "evil" which looms so largely in the title of this thread? And if the OP is perfectly willing to carry the "lie" (intentionally or indirect disregard for its' proven inaccuracy) is the OP's demeanour part of "god's responsibility" or is the OP acting independently as a rogue emissary of god by either intention or by inadvertently gathering disinformation?

FACT: The OP's statistics are false.
QUESTION: Are those falsehoods part of "God's responsibility for the evil in the world?"