More than 80% of coronavirus patients in Georgia are African American

Math is racist.

 

No one I know who contracted COVID, spread it to anyone else in their households. That's about 5 different households.

And yes, exactly. It fails if you don't take the care necessary. Thank you for reinforcing my point.

 

So, your "study" had n=5 and was hand selected by you from among those in your cohort.

And, NOW you think a post from you should be accepted over the work of those who actually study this issue.

What do you think every single person on this board should say about that?

 

I have no idea what you're talking about now, sorry.

Infection control is a very well understood science, and even with the limited knowledge we have of COVID, we still know enough to significantly alter our behaviour in the home - if we're working with the public, or already infected.

In fact, the first of my friends (a couple) to be infected had it in March, when we knew less about aerosol transmission, yet they still managed to avoid infecting the four other people in their household - and it's a small house at that. Nothing like the giant houses you have in America. That's because they changed EVERYTHING about their behaviour in the home. Literally, everything. The entire household had to reinvent the way they operated, down to the minute and the inch.

The point of mentioning this is to reiterate just how incredibly important behaviour is. The virus CAN be avoided, if everyone plays their part. And let's be brutally honest here - there is absolutely nothing stopping people from doing so, other than a preference not to.

 

Yes I do want to go there!

A scientific study by the University of Ohio did a COMPARISON of Crime Rates in TWO poverty stricken areas. One was white and the other black.

There was ZERO DIFFERENCE in the crime rates! The BJS has similar findings.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

So the FACTS matter!

 

Maybe I'm parachuting in to a different discussion point, and if yes I apologize, but
#2 example, since it happened to a friend who we think contracted it at work.

Moved into one of the kid's rooms, stayed isolated for 3 weeks during at home recovery. 3 kids and spouse didn't contract.

Not a perfect plan but it was the only plan that they had and fortunately it worked.

 

How do you know that?

 

Killed for simply BEING there sounds like wartime conditions.

Can you kindly elaborate with details of multiple people that were killed just for being there?

That feels out of place.

Also, since you stated it... just exactly how should minority communities be policed?

FWIW I'll quuckly concede that the community isn't being policed successfully, but what would be the first two things to change that would improve that situation?

 

OK , with that being said. Do you really think democrat policies are gonna get them out of that poverty? If this was the case then shouldn't they have already been out of the poverty during the glorious Obama administration?

 

Hey, everyone on this board is parachuting in to some extent. If that weren't totally OK, it would pretty much kill the board.

I agree it was one of the very few choices your friend had, and it's great that it worked.

However, your friend's success doesn't represent the overall effectiveness of this strategy.

There are well known cases of work place transmission which have affected whole communities.

This is one of the reasons that testing is so important. Too many cases involve transmission before the infected individual even knew they had contracted the disease.

Have you read the CDC/Administration plan that is on whitehouse.gov?

Unfortunately, Trump has worked AGAINST that plan of using testing to protect workplaces and to track exposures so people know when they need to seriously isolate due to being sick.

 

Police are not going to be respected or trusted when they disdain the population being policed. That's a fundamental problem with policing, as policing fails when the community does not trust or respect the police they face.

The undermining of trust in the police doesnt just come from police mrders, such as with Floyd and the rest.

It also comes with the thousands of times people of color get pulled over for driving while black, being arrested on basically zero evidence, of having police use racial epithets against those with whom they interact, with police wearing white supremicist insignia, with federal officers such as those in Portland roaming the city with names removed, assaulting individuals who are far from any federal property and not behaving illegally.

When that kind of stuff happens, it's totally expectable that the population is going to totally disrespect the force that is taking that kind of action.

What to do?

Obviously, eliminating the police force is the wrong direction, as these communities DO want policing. In Portland, people do NOT want the "Proud Boys" and other groups committing the violence they commit every time the public wants to peacefully protest something. And, every community wants policing.

What has to happen is that the police have to form a relationship of mutual trust and respect with the communities they police. That goes WAY beyond simply not shooting their kids in the back to include every single interaction with the public as well as policing their OWN ranks to such an extent that the public can rust that the various cases of assault and disrespect from various individuals can be seen to NOT represent the police force and will include accountability.

It would also help if we didn't have a federal administration that publicy accommodates white supremacy.. It presents the police with an additional barrier when attempting to convince communities that they can be trusted.

 

I think we're past the no justice no peace part and have rocketed into the no peace phase.

But what I do find fascinating....we need police because of the proud boys.... that's new.

 

On average, black Americans are disproportionately obese. Obesity is a known risk factor for COVID severity. It's not rocket science people.

 

So let's ignore all other health factors like obesity, heart disease, cancer, diet, stress levels, etc. and fixate on "social distancing" instead, which has no demonstrated link to viral transmission.

 

I live in a predominately Latino neighborhood in Chicago and they have largely ignored the social distancing and masking BS. And I say good for them. Many of them are far more "American" than white people these days. Latinos are predominately hard-working, freedom-loving, and Christian. I would gladly deport all white liberals and keep the Latino immigrants.

 

LOL - sorry. You can't just dismiss the "no justice" part.

And, yes. The Proud Boys are a problem. I'm certainly NOT suggesting they are the only problem. There are anarchist groups whose interest is pretty much purely destructive, too.

I'd also point to the heavily armed yahoos on the steps of the Wisconsin capitol building, calling for the death of the state governor.

Peaceful protest is a right. Violents and threats of death are not a right.

 

That's exactly my point. I know of people who moved into garages, for example. Other cases of partners/kids/whoever moving into storage closets and walk in closets etc, so that the sick or at risk working person could have a room to themselves. Whatever it takes, that's what you do.

 

That's why it's so incredibly important - if you're working in a risky environment - that you make damned sure you're sticking to protocols at home (and everyone in your household is complying with them), AND that you don't go out unless you absolutely have to, or you live somewhere you're unlikely to encounter others. You should not be doing any non-essential activity where you might be around other people.

You literally have to behave as though you have the disease. That's the appropriate and responsible approach, and is proving to be far more effective than first thought.

 

I think we'd all like to export our white liberals

Where should we send them? They really love the ultra-white nations, especially when those ultra white nations have ultra high standards of living (because they're so down with the exotic brown and dirt poverty, don't ya know), so I say send them to Bangladesh.

 

Yes, poorer and minority communities are hit harder by COVID.

And, there are a number of reasons for that.

Susggesting it is "more American" to ignore the severe health risks of helping to spread COVID by exhibiting irresponsible behavior is NOT "more American".

 

Poor Americans are disproportionately obese.

And, the reasons include, but are not limited to the cost of healthy food and food prep.

Trying to survive on fast food is a recipe for all the health problems related to substandard diet.

 

Well, first of all social distancing absolutely IS linked to viral transmission. Medical science is positive about that.

And, who the HELL do you think is ignoring the health and well being of people who struggle with the health factors you mention?

You SAY that, but do you back prorgrams that work toward serious dietary education in schools? Do you promote food security through our social safetynet features? Do you work to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage (like those in every other first world country do)? Do you write your congressmen when policies are modified to dump millions OFF of healthcare? In times of COVID do you let your opinion be known about those who are losing healthcare due to unemployment - at the very time when we're at risk for the million dollars or so that is necessary to get someone through a serious case of COVID?

I see the GOP fighting AGAINST every one of these measures on a consistent basis.

Look what happened when Mrs. Obama championed food education in our school system!!!

 

Sure. When people get sick all sots of challenges await - especially in our society where healthcare typically requires an individual to be employed in a position that includes healthcare.

But, I don't see you making any point here.

Willingness to go through those difficulties are no excuse for people ignoring the measures required to keep America healthy.

 

You want me to accept GOP racism on the grounds that to object to that is elitst???

Really?

 

Given that many of the white conservatives often don't accept the idea that any brown "Americans" are actually Americans, even the ones that were living in America before the USA was a country, many of the White Supremacists, the "Proud Boys", and others including in Trumps "proud boys", the white America so many in the Right hope for will come much closer with that wish granted!

Indeed, grown up in a very poor primarily Hispanic area, that area was more Christian, Hard Working, Family Values, freedom-loving than all of the Republican First Family and Republican White leaders currently apparent!