So when Trump wins the popular vote on election day, but then Biden wins ...

False by any legal recount Gore lost along with losing in the courts but that is not thebissue here. The issue is the margin no matter which way and the claims that an election requires a MASSIVE amount of voter fraud to change the outcome.

Address that point.

 

Voters that have common sense would support Biden. Right? It would be the sign of the times.

 

"Well, yes. We're Democrats. By definition, we play fair."

that truly is the funniest statement I have ever heard, bravo comedian, bravo.

 

Five states have been doing exactly that for many years, so your opinion that it is "folly" is readily disproven.

 

It's about a mandate, which Trump didn't win. With all those extra EC votes, he won no mandate.

We have to go back to 1988 to find the last time Republicans won a plurality of votes in two consecutive cycles, much less had a mandate. That should be troubling to Republicans.

 

The Obama was the first Democrat to win a majority of votes since Carter in 1976.
That should be troubling to Democrats

 

Nah. I'm not buying it.

 

Not buying what?

 

This mandate business. He won an overwhelming majority of districts. What a couple million people in California thought was irrelevant. This is pretty telling. How you can look at this, and say Clinton won, is beyond me.

 

I never said Clinton won anything. I didn't mention Clinton. Mandates are earned with a majority of votes.

Obama did it, so did GW, HW, Reagan, and even Carter. Trump got 46%. Bill Clinton never earned a mandate.

 

It's meaningless. There are a multitude a reasons a president does/does not get things done.

 

I take your county map and raise it to the size of the population map. This is the shape of the USA counting the total population.

 

It's not about getting things done. It's about more people voting for a candidate than against him. It's a better starting point than the other option.

 

Obama won pretty handily. It didn't really help, much. Obamacare was an abysmal failure, even though he started with good intentions. He didn't close Guantanamo. There's a long list. His apology tour was pretty demoralizing. I don't need my president bowing to other world leaders.

What's needed is a leader. Obama was not a very good leader. He was/is a good man, a good person with good intentions, good father/husband, a kind man; but he was not a very good leader.

 

Not by a 3,000,000 margin.

 

You shouldn't make fun of the popular vote.

In the end, the majority always regains its rights.

This is what will happen on November 3rd.

 

So what? You take the most populated state in the country with the largest number of democrats, and ZOMG! They voted for Clinton. Shocker.

The STATES elect the president. This is hardly news.

I have no desire to have the president picked by California. California is a hot mess. Why should they be the decider? They already have more votes in the election than any other state, but you want to hand them more power. Silly plan.

 

That is so interesting. Thanks for posting that.

 

Land shouldn’t count for more than people.
You can shape it however you want and the fact remains — the people of this nation voted against Republicans in both the 2016 presidential elections and the 2018 midterms. In all likelihood they will again in the 2020 presidential election — it has yet to be determined if the EC will dismiss the will of the voters again.

 

If this election is handled the same as it was in 2016, then it will be legitimate. Just as the 2016 elections was. But there are some things instituted by the DNC that could change things. Such as some states instituted a policy that would award the states electoral delegates based on the national popular vote as opposed to the states popular votes. It Biden wins the Electoral vote based on an alternative method then traditionally used, the election will be invalid, and end up in the hands of the SCOTUS,

 

I knew about it.

But when you are elected by the minority, you cannot afford to govern with contempt for the majority.

That's what Trump did for four years.

And that's one of the reasons he won't get a second term.

 

It took them years of prep to set it up and a full legislative review. What we are talking about now is liberals attempting to change the way we vote without legislative review, without judicial oversight, or even the will of the people. It is pure folly. Nobody with a brain would contemplate such a thing without first purging all voter rolls. Nobody on the left will even consider that, because that would make it less exploitable...

 

I don't "make fun" of the alleged "popular vote" of it I call it for what it is, trivia and not a true reflection of what the results of a true national popular vote would be. Presidents are not elected by a national majority of votes, they are elected by STATES and their Electoral votes. We are NOT a Democracy we are a FEDERAL REPUBLIC, you need to accept that fact.

 

In which STATE? I assume we live in different states and you did not vote in the election I voted in nor me in yours.

 

THERE WAS NO NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE IN 2016 OR 2018 OR EVER IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!! When will you accept that fact? Tallying up the 51 unique and separate elections that take place is NOT and ACCURATE representation of "the will of the voters" nationally or within the various states and DC. The STATES elect the President when will you accept that fact?