6% number is not debunked

The fear monger crowd has been out in force trying to debunk this number but the fact remains that anyone dying from any illness that test positive for covid gets counted as a covid death.
I realize this is old news but it needs to be revisited as democrats use the scary 200,000 number for political purposes in the upcoming election.


"It has become policy in many hospitals to test for COVID-19 on admission. Patients coming in with severe chest pain are tested, even if they have no symptoms of the virus. Because of the CARES Act, there are plenty of financial incentives for them to list COVID-19 on a patient’s chart—doing so results in higher levels of reimbursement at a time when hospitals are seeing less traffic due to fear of the virus. Early in the pandemic, some COVID-19 diagnoses were not even confirmed by tests. This led to a large-scale reclassification of deaths in places like New York."


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...6-of-deaths-are-due-to-covid-19-alone-n867807

 

6% number is not debunked

Like hell it's not...

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-mortality-statistics/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/fau...-toll-there-are-180000-plus-deaths-in-us.html

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/v...rted/531-60bbdb37-4837-46c3-a8b6-a9d29d089566

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a33893742/6-percent-covid-deaths-coronavirus/

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...bunked-theory-to-downplay-covid-19-death-toll

Your OP from August has been thoroughly, meticulously debunked.

 

No it has been thoroughly attacked.

 

No, it has been thoroughly debunked. Even Humpty Trumpy won't touch that steaming pile of bullshit.

 

Wow, that bad LOL

 

The problem that people clinging to the '6%' delusion have is that over 250,000 more Americans have died since the start of COVID than in the same period last year or in othe recent years. That is even more than the official figures for COVID, suggesting those are likely an undercount. What a remarkable coincidence. All these people just happened to die on non-COVID related causes at the EXACT SAME TIME that 210,000+ officially died of COVID. Gee, what are the chances of that?

At this point the 6% delusionists either pretend these people didn't die at all or jump straight into conspiracy theory territory that makes 9/11 troofers seem sane and factual.

 

I would further add that the worst impacted European nations have similar (if not identical) spikes in excess mortality corresponding to the same period. Another remarkable coincidence.

The conspiracy is even bigger tha nwe thought!

 

Source?

 

It's fact that if you died of a heart attack with asymptomatic covid you were counted as a covid death.

 

And yet when excess deaths are counted...a quarter million MORE people died in the last 7 months

I wonder what they died from...

 

So,... your theory is that if a liberal publication publishes an article about something and then fails to produce or otherwise create data that could discount the conclusions of a study that found that ~6% of the deaths attributed to WuFLu were actually single caused, your insistence is that we take those opinions seriously because... no data, just their ability to be contrarian? Really? How laughable are you willing to go?

 

This is true. I have personal experience here. In my family, one of our members died after being WuFlu negative ( he was positive for 9 or so days, then he tested negative, twice.) He died after he was negative of lung issues. His death was counted as a WuFlu death, even though his death wasn't caused by the flu. The hospital was able to recoup more money because of his previous WuFlu positive testing.

For those of you who demand that every death be attributed, it's just sophistry. It's also shameless fear mongering.

 

Sorry for your family’s loss. That said personal anecdotes do little to prove much of anything.

 

Has been posted numerous times on this forum. You would have to be actively avoiding this information not to have seen it. I suspect that is the case, but I'll post it anyway, just so you can't claim ignorance in future.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

This covers the US & most of Europe. Sources are included in the article.

Here is the CDC data for the US:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard

And here is an NYT article based on CDC data from a few months ago breaking down the data somewhat:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html

If you have a fact and data based explanation for several hundred thousand excess deaths that excludes COVID as tghe cause then present your data. You have to account for why there has been this sudden, massive spike in deaths. Go for it. Remember, facts don't care about your feelings.

 

Not caused by the flu?

First it's not "a flu"

Next...it RAVAGES the lungs

 

Complete and utter bovine excrement that has been completely DEBUNKED.

https://zdoggmd.com/covid-death-stats/

 

Even if we accept that only 6% of deaths were single factor, that doesn’t negate the fact that people are being killed by COVID. Unless a person’s preexisting condition was likely to kill them within the same time frame that COVID killed them, then their death can be justifiably attributed to contracting the disease.

Anywhere between 20-50% of non-elderly Americans have a preexisting condition that would put them at increased risk of death from COVID. The 6% number may not be wrong, but it is most certainly being used by bad actors to downplay the dangers of contracting COVID.

 

A real case. A real example. And in my case, it is the only example. So, statistically, 100% of cases here are mischaracterized.

 

I have a close friend (mid 50s) who got this horror. She fought it for months. At times it appeared she was well into recovery and then she'd crash
After being "clear" of the actual virus...she had lung embolisms...seizures...a stroke.

She survived...but just barely. She still has lingering health issues.

She was previously as healthy as anyone

 

The numbers are no more accurate if they are undercounted than they are if they are overcounted.

 

So then you understand why anecdotal evidence isn’t useful. Glad we could clear that up.

 

Those "lung issues" were caused by the VIRUS

 

If you get into a car accident and bleed out. Did you die from the car accident or the loss of blood...

 

But the significance is huge.

On the one hand there is a claim that the numbers are over counted by a factor of THOUSANDS...and no basis for it

On the other there is evidence that the numbers are UNDER COUNTED by at least 25%...something documented around the world

 

Show me a real study that quantifies that absent comorbidity that WuFlu is the cause of death that demonstrates more morbidity than 6%