Trump pardons Michael Flynn, former national security advisor who admitted lying to FBI

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  1. PARTIZAN1

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    Hey you gave the right to like criminals. I have had right to detest criminals.
     
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    But disgraced rogue FBI agents persecuting, bankrupting, blackmailing innocent decorated heroes for political reasons are perfectly fine in your book, I am sure, right?
     
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    The plea through mutual agreement between the defense and the prosecution was withdrawn.
    Pled after being bankrupted and having his family threatened, you know extortion. One of the reasons the DOJ, along with the fact they withheld exculpatory evidence and there was no crime to begin with refused to prosecute. The notes say he didn't lie and it was not material to a crime anyway.

    Tell me why in first place did the FBI go to the WH on the guise of just a friendly conversation, nothing legal about it no attorney necessary, and even have that conversation with. What crime were they investigating? Why didn't they tell him in the first place they wanted to ask him some questions about a conversation he had. Why didn't they inform the President first and foremost if they though Flynn was engaged in some subversive act? The FBI conversation took place in January, it was pulled back off the shelve by the Mueller investigation. If Flynn was such a threat to national security why did the FBI go quiet leaving him in that position until mid-February?

    And this was all AFTER there had been a months long investigation into him which came back saying nothing here, he has done nothing wrong in talking to foreigners or is engaged in any collusion with Russians. Case closed. Then all of a sudden FBI agents are going over to have a "casual conversation", why? Why are there FBI notes saying if they can just get him to lie then they can charge him with a crime and force him to resign.
     
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    He could have "spilled the beans" years ago and not lost everything he owned and everything he ever worked for ruining his family. He only agreed to the plea deal because they were threatening to after and ruin his son. Flynn was investigated and the FBI said they could find no evidence of a crime or illegal dealings or Russian collusion.
    What crime are you talking about, the FBI agents who interviewed him said he didn't lie, the DOJ said this was case that was created by the FBI and they had no business creating the perjury trap and that his rights as a defendant have been violated.

    I'll ask you why did the FBI agents go to interview him at all? They had transcript of the call which certainly showed no crime had been committed it is expect that the transition NSA will be talking to foreign dignitaries and yes about the future policies of the incoming administration, not that Flynn said anything about that. Should Trump get transcripts of Jake Sullivan's, Biden designated NSA, and start sending FBI agents to go see if they can get him to lie and fired? If not why not since the Obama administration and the holdover officials, who had taken part of the Russian dossier scandal, did.

    Why do you hate Flynn so much? This isn't about the law or justice, justice was just served with the full pardon, this is about a political hatred of him and nothing more.
     
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    Trump trying to distract from all his loses in court it seems
     
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    Did it occur to you that this has been in the works since before the election? If he had done it before the MSM and Dems and leftist hair would be even more on fire than now.
     
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    So how much did Flynn the Felon pay for his pardon ? Dirty Donnie has obligations to pay soon.

    Is there a web page where you can put in you AMEX info for your pardon ? Or is it like an e-bay style bidding system ?
     
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    No loses so far. You are jumping the shark.
     
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    Sure it doesn't take nine months to go from the North Pole to the South Pole.

    Would Cohen have been investigated were it not he was part of the Trump team? And Cohen's problems are his own not Trumps. All the things the SDNY is investigating happened years ago, why was there no investigation back then?
     
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    It isn't over at all. The matter is live and still in Sullivan's Court.
     
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    Pull the other leg, it whistles Daisy.
     
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    Though irrelevant.
     
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    If Cohen wasn't part of the Trump team, he probably wouldn't have committed a crime at the direction of Individual 1, so probably not.

    The campaign finance violations are a shared common crime. A conspiracy by the letter of the law.

    There were no investigations over tax or loan issues because nobody broke ranks "back then". Somebody did in February 2019...
     
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    New CIA director?

    Time to bring some pain. He knows where the bodies are buried. Buckle up folks
     
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    He’d already been convicted and was just awaiting sentencing
     
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    According to the republicans! Lol
    Now quote the actual agents
     
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    I'll bet you will not say that when Sullivan sentences Flynn to five months, forcing the pardon to be given effect. Flynn will be known as the utterly disgraced Three Star General, a felon sentenced to five months who escaped time because his corrupt POTUS mate pardoned him, as part of some grubby deal likely to be.....'I will pardon you, you agree to stop co-operating with investigators.' Trump does nothing for nothing.
     
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    Do you detest all criminals? Think carefully before answering. If you say yes, I have a follow up question that will require an answer without a deflection.
     
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    What is your game?
     
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    What the agents really said:
    Flynn "did not give any indicators of deception."
     
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    I'd still be interested if Sullivan goes ahead at this point.... I think it would be the cherry on top, but I'm not sure he will..

    Flynn is utterly disgraced whatever happens going forward.... His name will always be a cocktail party joke, even if he never sets one foot in prison.

    For crimes like this, there really should be better punishments than prison anyway... I hope we find one for this fool...
     
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    I take it by your refusal to answer I made my point about your bias.
     
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    It’s a dumb one, like a pedophile is just as hate-able as a guy who steals a loaf of bread
     
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    Pardons used to require an admission of guilt, so that would sure be interesting lol
    He’s already convicted, and now a sentence doesn’t matter. I’d assume it’s dropped unless he’s not done with the DOJ for their game’s.
     
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    The only convicted felons should be Sally Yates and the Obama Administration, who clearly were miffed at Hillary's defeat and the ongoing transition. And so, they set up a tripwire for the then-incoming Trump Administration. And that's why you heard the nonsense about "their policy" even though there was no such stated policy, unless the policy is an ongoing war with Russia.

    I'm frustrated to this day that the GOP Senate didn't catch onto the memos and what Yates said in their testimony, I would've loved to cross examine her. "Policy, what policy? What policy was stated, and how did Flynn's ongoing talks interfere with said policy?"

    They set up a tripwire, and in so doing undermined the American government. But hey, they're above the law.
     

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