My Biden vote is not an endorsement of his gun control.

What about protesting and guns helping? Sure helped Rittenhouse....

 

Freedom to own guns has cost the lives of 572,000 homicide and suicide victims in USA 1999 -- 2016.

An Aspie like me can see few facts, but these are the important ones.

 

Being an Aspie does not make me intellectually impaired -- I am a high functioning Autistic.

But sometimes grabbing on to simple concepts is more important then long philosophy. Only an Aspie can repeat the same thing a thousand times and still find it interesting.

34,000 gun deaths per year in USA alone -- the price we pay for "freedom" to have dangerous toys.

 

We can repeat the idea that Human life is G-d's Creation -- it has paramount value.

Sadly, for many people expensive toys such as guns and motorcycles have more value.

 

Guns are a fact of life. They are here. Given that very basic fact, how many lives of law abiding people have guns saved?

Keep in mind there are some total unknowns in the equation. There are fourth levels of defense with guns. 4) The last defense is a last resort when you are actually required to fire the gun to kill or disable an attacker. 3) The third level and much more desirable is when the gun is drawn and the attacker no longer tries to attack the gun owner. 2) The second level is when the attacker knows the potential victim has a gun and does not attack because he knows he has a gun. 1) The first level is the most desirable and is absolutely unknown. The potential attacker does not attack or even consider an attack because the potential attacker believes there is sufficient chance the potential victim has access to a gun and the risk to the potential attacker is too great.

 

I would guess at least 10 times less. For each Justifiable Homicide there are 35 Criminal Homicides and over 70 Suicides.

 

First of all, you do not know how many attacks did not take place because of concerns the potential victim might have a gun.

You can disregard suicides completely because the US and Canada have approximately the same suicide rate with many less guns in Canada than the US. A person contemplating suicide will usually just pick another method if a gun is not available.

 

Those in red states would wait for the challenge to the Supreme Court, and even then maybe ignore it.

This gets into the reason why my down ballot vote was all Republican; to keep Missouri red. Biden got my vote to get the insane mad man who is turning this county into a failed state out of the White House, but my vote down was to keep a defense against gun control.

My state won’t enforce a federal gun ban any more than blue states enforce the federal ban on weed or federal immigration laws. The sheriffs in red states won’t arrest the people that elected them and they go to the gun range and hunting with over guns they all own. It won’t happen. It will be ignored.

 

LOL! You fell for the anti-Trump propaganda and now you will be losing your guns.....this is the kind of thing I will enjoy watching.

 

No, I won’t be.

 

Still avoiding the point, eh?

 

Hows that? isnt your point exactly why Rittenhouse took his gun?

 

To keep the antifa trogs from punching him in the face - yes.
A perfectly legitimate reason to protest with a firearm.
Glad you agree.

 

So your saying you said "still avoiding the point" even though your acknowledging I wasn't?

How did that strategy practicality and tangibly work out though for Rittenhouse?

 

He's alive, and will soon be free so... pretty well.
Fortunate for him he had a gun with him.

 

"modern liberals' isn't 'neoliberalism' which is a philosophy having nothing to do with modern liberalism.

Neoliberalism simply means a political philosophy embracing private sector solutions to social problems, rather than governmental, that's all it means, as far as I know.

Modern liberalism embraces classic liberalism, but because society is far more complex today than it was when classic liberalism was founded, democrats believe social justice programs have to be added to the mix. For example, in the simpler times of the founding fathers, and it was generally understood that an elderly person was taken care of by kin. Well, there are millions today where that just isn't practical, so medicare and social security are needed, etc.

 

How are you so sure?

 

Sure of what?
That he's alive?
That he'll soon be free?
That it was fortunate he had a gun with him?

 

Well put.

I oppose Biden particularly for many reasons, but I do often find myself in more agreement with some Dems than many Pubs, and I would like to be able to vote for them, but they ALL support the same inane stuff that you have very aptly described.

Gun rights are a 'single issue decider' for me, based on my belief that there is no trouble to fear voting ourselves into so long as we can at least theoretically shoot our way back out if it all goes to ****. This great experiment we call America is dependent on the 2A just as much as the 1A imo, and neutering either will cause the 'experiment' to catastrophically fail.

 

Modern liberalism is the opposite of classical liberalism. The closest to classical liberalism is libertarianism.

 

Yes you will.

 

Ok, I see you are a troll.

Even if they get the Senate, there are a few old votes that won’t vote to expand the court. Feinstein is one of those votes. Which I personally don’t get, as gun control has been her life long goal, but I like this new, way too old to realize what she is going, Feinstein. So the first obstacle is the 6-3 court.

The of course, red states like my Missouri won’t enforce it like the blue states don’t enforce the federal laws they don’t like. So red states ignoring it, as well as local rural law enforcement not enforcing it on the people they target shooting and hunt with.

And finally, Missouri, like many states, has no gun registration. My guns might not even exist troll. Gosh damn boating accident; where did they go? Poof. I am also not a member of the NRA for this exact reason. I long ago saw the possibility of their membership list being used to go house to house.

So you tell me how we are all going to lose all our guns, that may or may not exist, troll. Go ahead. Speak. I said speak. I’m talk’n to you boy. I’m talk’n to you.

 

There are, of course, a great many successful defensive gun uses that don't end in the death of the criminal. You are (conspicuously) not counting those here.

 

We do not know how numerous are they.

There are many gun crimes in which no one is killed/injured.

 

Only through willful ignorance on your part. Did you know they take surveys and do estimates about stuff like that?