Biden is no socialist

Your characterization of Biden is interesting. he's been called 'neoliberal' and now 'power hungry statist' and 'crony capitalist' ( how can you be both? ) . However, compared to Trump, a man who listens to morons like Flynn and Powell, espouses conspiracy theories, who considers such fascist moves as martial law ( where there is clearly no circumstance that calls for it ) in order to overturn the election, noting that Biden is at last not saying **** like 'injecting disinfectants' and trying to undermine public confidence in elections (also noting that that could have been anyone running against Trump, but Biden was the nominee) Biden is a significant notch up from Trump.

Your willingness to use a term like 'negro' might have been acceptable in the 60s, but you should know that 'negro' is just a notch up from the N word, i.e, harkens back the Jim Crow era, when used in modern parlance. The only reason it was used in the census, used along side 'blacks, African American, or negro' was because elderly blacks, which is to say, those who are over the age 80, apparently still associate with the term, also noting that number of newspapers have censored the term from their archives.

Pathological liar? Really? I don't agree with that characterization, though if you use it to describe Trump, no problem there.

 

Pathological or not, he does tend to lie unnecessarily.

 

All politicians are given to hype, but no one compares to Trump.

 

Well, that is a subjective asessment, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Tilting at windmills. There is no conclusive scientifc evidence to support the theory of "man made climate change," but politicians are expected to "do something," and gullible masses applaud when politicians "do things" (regardless of any basis in fact).

Unless the "poor" obtain marketable skills, they will remain poor regardless of how many government programs politicians throw at them in the name of "doing something."

You're right. He'll be listening to brand new morons. How exciting!

As long as Biden gets his 14 hours of sleep, President Harris should be able to gaze longingly at the double doors of the Oval Office.

Biden is acting like a confused grandpa lost at the shopping mall.

 

All well and good. However, the topic here -- and the points to which I replied -- are Mr. Biden's attributes, not Mr. Trump's.

Ad hominem fallacy: Interestingly, I am also not the topic of this thread. As for the phrase in question, do I really need to explain this to you? It is a term d'art which points to the cynicism of the merely symbolic act of recruiting a person with the desired attributes to give the appearance of racial or sexual equality. In this case, Biden got to check two boxes -- pantone and genitals. For more on this topic, I refer you to the pantheon of truth and justice:

I forgot "plagiarist."

 

So all of those IPCC reports are nothing?


I guess NASA scientists are a bunch of idiots, then, eh?

https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/

Do scientists agree on climate change?
Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. A list of these organizations is provided here.

READ MORE

• Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming
• “The scientific consensus on climate change,” N. Oreskes, Science, Vol. 306 no. 5702, p. 1686, doi: 10.1126/science.1103618 (2004).
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• "Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming Environ," J. Cook et al., Res. Lett. 11 (2016) 048002, pp 1–7, doi:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 (2016).
  
• "Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," P. Doran et al., EOS, Vol. 90, Issue 3, Pages 22–23, doi: 10.1029/2009EO030002 (2009).
  
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• "Meteorologists' Views About Global Warming: A Survey of American Meteorological Society Professional Members," N. Stenhouse et al., Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, Volume 95 No. 7, pp 1029–1040, doi: 10.1175/ BAMS-D-13-00091.1 (2014).
  
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1. She's only half black;
2. See: Tokenism -- obviously it works;
3. "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black..." As if black folk should have minds of their own...
4. "I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle" as he was a leading opponent of desegregation while in the Senate.

 

We warned you that voting for Biden over Trump was returning the War party to power. Did you vote for Trump? If not, who cares what your claimed interest are if you won't work intelligently to further them?

Will Biden screw the Socialists that supported him as hard as the DNC screwed Bernie, twice? At this point the DNC has him stump trained.

But, nobody wants you folks either, as illustrated by the following that poses as "thoughtful analysis" by self-absorbed thumb-suckers.

When The Lady On The Checkout Is Your Class Enemy.

Are cashiers working class? I know this sounds like it should be obvious, but think about it. Cashiers do not produce any commodities. Under a non-capitalistic society, nobody would do what they do. In fact, their job is almost more like a cop. They keep commodities away from people and demand that you pay a fee to the bourgeois to access them. And if you refuse, they will use the violence of the state against you by reporting you to the authorities for shoplifting. So how are they, in a Marxist analysis, working class?​

Yes, it’s real, or was, until deleted for attracting attention from unclean heathens. And needless to say, earnest rumblings ensued. We marvel at the thought of someone going through life continually scanning for class enemies, obstructers of the Great Proletarian Revolution, and concluding that checkout assistants have just made the list.

Curious how the people who imagine the Next Great Socialist Revolution always think of themselves as being on the side who gets to pick who goes to the gulag, instead of assuming they’ll end up there as well eventually.

Old, Failed Idea Repackaged As New, Progressive Idea: Great photo juxtaposition of Stalin, and Goya’s Employee of the Month, who likely views Stalin as a wild-eyed free market libertarian Reason subscriber:

 

If those bother you, you must despise Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

 

Once again, Trump is not the topic. Neither am I. You claimed "Biden is not a racist because "a racist would have never nominated a black woman (sic) as vice president."

I am claiming Biden IS a racist, in agreement with our OP, based on the evidence I have presented.

 

I wrote, "I respectfully asked a simple question. I did not present an ad hominem fallacy. Therefore, given his avoidance, the readership can safely assume that Giftedone does indeed work within an oil-related industry."

In reaction, Giftedone writes:

For the final time, asking a question to determine whether one's opponent's position is rooted in their material interests does not constitute an ad hominem fallacy, defined as "a logical fallacy that involves a personal attack." Asking the question, do you work within an oil-related industry does not add up to a personal attack. It is a query that flows from the prudent journalistic tradition known as "following the money." It is why Steinbeck's ‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding" is instrumental in this instance. The fact that it took Giftedone three days to answer my question is more than enough to prove that point.

Giftedone's absurd statement that "...90% of the population works within an 'oil-related' industry" discredits itself. Nevertheless, according to the American Petroleum Institute, the oil, and natural gas "ndustry supports 9.8 million jobs or 5.6 percent of total U.S. employment, according to PwC. In 2012, the unconventional oil and natural gas value chain and energy-related chemicals activity together supported more than 2.1 million jobs, according to IHS – a number that’s projected to reach 3.9 million by 2025." (Excerpted from: "How many jobs has the oil and natural gas industry created? https://www.api.org/.../how-many-jobs-has-the-oil-and-natural-gas-industry-created

And since it was the American Petroleum Institute who presented said statistics, they may well be exaggerated.

Rest assured of that.

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Anyone in his or her life can utter a statement that has racist overtones, but no one with a sense of justice would accuse them of being a racist. Trump, on the other hand, has far more examples of racist acts, and such fills a couple of pages. It's a rather long list.

There is no way in hell you can claim Biden is a racist. That's nutter talk.
His cabinet and staff is more diverse than that of any prior president

 

What does that even mean? Sense of justice? How does not calling people racist when they make racist remarks denote a "sense of justice"??? Non sequitur.

And for the third or fourth time, TRUMP IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.

But if you insist on making Trump the topic...

Of his soon-to-boss Mr. Obama he said "he's clean and articulate." Don't pretend that's not loaded with racist undertones... and might explain why he passed over Stacey Abrams -- a real black woman -- in favor of the cleaner and more articulate and only half black (Jamaican at that) Mrs, Harris, who consequently never met a black man she didn't want to incarcerate. He said he didn't want his children going to school "in a racial jungle." The deliberate choice of the word jungle has particularly racist overtones considering the vulgar association on the part of racists with people of African descent and apes, monkeys, chimpanzees, and other primates.

See: Tokenism. Cynical hollow symbolism with no substance.

The man fought to keep schools segregated as a member of the Senate. His own token negro called him out on that during the debates! She must have an awfully short memory...

 

How do you do, Bow To The Robots?

Likely not, sir or madam. Likely not. But it appears as though we will do so respectfully. And these days, that is perhaps all that matters.

Thank you. And that sentiment is entirely mutual.

Thank you again. And, as you know, I see Biden as being dutifully pro-capitalist.

Although I don't view run-of-the-mill liberals as being left-wingers, for they (are) pro-capitalists, yes, I have drawn attention to their having been fooled again.

But I can't entirely agree that Biden and Harris have lied about anything other than their neoliberal credentials. Then again, they were likely never asked about such a thing during the campaign. Biden has been forthright about his neoliberal-based opposition to Medicare For All and the like for quite some time. And when one compares his more critical positions to neoliberalism, one finds him to be rather honest. From my vantage point, the problem is that most voters are clueless about the existence of neoliberalism. If they've heard of it, most are unable to define it.

All right, I will do that. But not before you unpack the impetus for your moniker, Bow To The Roots.

Thank you so much.

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Why would a president resign over something his son did when he wasn't even president?

 

Because he was involved...oh and most of it happened while he was VP and because he was VP.

 

Yeah I don't think that's going to happen. Look at all the **** Trump was involved with before he took office. The voters didn't care and elected him anyway. The same thing happened with Biden. While I think both instances are wrong, Trump voters have no standing whatsoever to criticize Biden for potentially being corrupt after voting for Trump, supporting him for four years, and then voting for him again. That's literally the exact same thing as what you're now mad at Biden voters for allegedly doing.

Does it feel different being on the other side of this argument for a change? You condoned corruption when Trump was a candidate and then when he was president and probably even now with his shenanigans trying to steal the election. All of that is okay but Biden voters have done a great wrong? Please.

 

I wouldn't cast a vote in favor of Joe Biden no matter the circumstances. But his crimes and those of his son are relatively minor compared to those of the Trump crime family, both in number and severity.

"Trump 'Crime Family...Belong in Prison,' Says 'The Art of ..."
https://www.newsweek.com/art-deal-ghost-writer...

 

Well Biden is CLEARLY not in charge in his party either, so this is ALL irrelevant!

 

Enjoying a badly-needed week off. LOL.

Sir. And thank you for asking. Sir Bow To The Robots. I like that. My pronouns are 'he,' 'him bad,' and 'his dudeness.' But you can just call me 'sir.' LOL.

Call me whatever you want, just don't call me late for dinner.

Deal.

I see him as a statist neoliberal authoritarian corporatist crony capitalist. I believe people do better in free markets. The Bidens (and Trumps to be fair) of the world like to do favors for their friends by putting their thumb on the scales when they are granted the levers of power by the people.

If it quacks like a duck...

Fair enough. I view both as archetypes of 'the swamp": They carefully calculate their positions and say what they think they have to say to get elected, then pretty much do whatever the hell they want once they unwrap that candy bar we gave them containing the golden ticket.

"Robots" not "Roots" FYI -- in case that wasn't a typo. I don't think anyone has ever asked before...

Mainly it's my Asimovian nod to my imagined visions of our dystopian future where machines and AI learn that the human race is obsolete... in more practical terms, an acknowledgment that technology is a double-edged sword and must be wielded with great care...

 

Yet Trump was sued twice for 'discrimination against African Americans' on his and his father's apartment buildings.
He stated that he didn't want any blacks 'counting his money' only men wearing 'yarmulkes' he has said that blacks are stupid and lazy, he has called black nations 'shitholes' and the list of his racist remarks far exceeds anything by Biden, and if you look at photographs of Trump's staff, the group pictures, hardly any blacks are in it, it's all white.

He accused Obama of not being born in America. If he were a white man, would he have made that accusation?

He put out an ad on the NY 5 who were exonerated, and after they were exonerated, he still put out an ad saying they should be executed. IF they were white, would he have placed that ad? I doubt it.

Trump courts celebrity blacks, so when it comes to celebrities, he is not racist, but for regular folks, his remarks and deeds betray him.

By your own standard, there is far more evidence of Trump's racism than paltry few comments you are clinging to on Biden.

Moreover, your comment 'Mrs, Harris, who consequently never met a black man she didn't want to incarcerate', is that an objective characterization? No, you sentiment is strictly partisan, and egregiously so.

So that, in my book, is hypocrisy.

 

My pictures illustrate one thing: Trump is a racist who uses token negroes just like Biden does. But Trump is not the topic of this thread.

So back on topic... "Biden is no socialist." I agree. As I stated upthread to the OP, he is a statist neoliberal authoritarian corporatist crony capitalist.

Oh, and a racist with a long and consistent pattern of racist remarks and official acts as an elected official spanning almost five decades.

 

Biden is Establishment period. He goes with the wind. It took Socialists to put him in office that doesn't mean he will behave like them. He serves the purpose of an Establishment/Globalist stooge. For Socialism, you've got Kamala waiting in the wings. She will serve you better.

 

Total nonsense. Very few Americans are Socialists. And even fewer on the right even know what that word means.

 

Many who have come out of the Universities are Socialists.