Biden is no socialist

Realtively very few. This delusion that socialists are great in number or wield any real political power was contrived to keep the cult in a constant state of agitation.

 

They grow in number every year. The support for Universal Healthcare is indicative of that. The idea healthcare becomes a right is a Socialist idea never before entertained in this Nation. The Universities are doing their job.

 

*unversal health INSURANCE

It's quite a leap to say "socialism" is the reason it has support. In fact, it's absurd. The reason support for it is fgrtowing is because we spend more per capita than any other first world country, with worse health outcomes. It is the number one cause of bankruptcy in our country. People face decisions every day whether to pay the mortgage or a medical bill. Your attempt to attach the economic ideology of socialism to their desire for a better way (while watching that better way work in other countries) is just more "fear factor" rhetoric designed for people who don't have a good grasp of the definitions of English words and who must be kept in a stance of blind fear, all to appease corporate interests. Which insurance company do you own? None? Well, that makes you a special kind of footsoldier for these people. And not in a good way.

 

In response to yabberefugee's "Socialists to put [Biden] in office...," Vailhundt wrote:

I would add to those correct statements that neither do most so-called leftists understand what it means to be a socialist. Most of these individuals, having been mislead by AOC, Bernard Sanders, and others, believe that reformist programs, such as Social Security and Medicare, derived from socialist thought when nothing could be further from the truth. The likes of Social Security have resulted (because of) socialism but not (from it). And that is not just figuratively so.

Beyond that, yes, there are few socialists in the US, and very few of us voted for Biden-Harris. As a socialist of nearly thirty-three years, and a member of the Socialist Labor Party of America since 1990, I know many socialists, but I don't know of any socialists who voted for Biden-Harris. I'm sure that at least a few socialists voted for them, but I don't know of any. The silly belief that "socialists put Biden in office" reflects Vailhundt's point that most people haven't the slightest understanding of either socialism or socialists.

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Your blindness to the fact that government supplied healthcare is not a right or government responsibility makes you a minion for the Socialist movement. People come here from all over the world for health treatment. Many from Canada. I think it's time you and others that prefer other countries and their Socialist systems move on. You seem to prefer government run systems.

 

Biden is not a racist.


As for:

he is a statist neoliberal authoritarian corporatist crony capitalist.

That's the glass-is-half-empty cynic's description, mindful of the famous
quote by Oscar Wilde.

The glass-is-half-full description is that he is a moderate democrat.

I'm a glass-is-half-full type of person. I choose to smile the first thing
in the morning when I rise.

 

You can tattoo that on your forehead but it won't make it any more true.

What then do you call a person who not only wants to keep blacks and whites legally separated (as Biden stated) but used his political authority to do it (as Biden did)? "Racial jungle" is like some secret woke lingo that only the real hip kids know? Was it supposed to be ironic, like with your finger on your nose?

Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't mean he can't be as I described him.

How wonderful for you. However, you are not the topic of this thread.



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You think socialism is communism, missinformed one. At least in every other modern country like France Italy Spain Russia Scandinavia. They have had socialist parties who won and they have socialist countries now the socialists in those countries believe. God knows what hogwash your bleeting. Your party is basically communist. If they want to call it socialism when it is communism everywhere but English speaking countries, be my guest. I am a socialist a French socialist and Italian Spanish German Scandinavian socialist. Canada has everything that Bernie Sanders wantsbut they conflate socialism and communism like savage capitalist s have trained us all.. It's not that hard. Your party has no power and is basically deceased since the USSR fell..

 

More baseless conspiracy bologna about Democrats. Prove it in a court of law. And none of your disrespectful crap about our wonderful institutions.

 

I'm sorry? Democrats? Please cite where I used that term in my post.

The rest of your trope is unworthy of a response.

 

yabberefugee: "Many who have come out of the Universities are Socialists."

That is quite true. And, anecdotally, that truth encompasses even this university-educated socialist. I entered UCLA in 1976 as an 18-year-old Republican but didn't begin studying Marxism until 1984 - during my fifth year of graduate school. But I did not embark upon that study as a result of any aspect of my formal education. I did it solely as a manifestation of the intellectual curiosity I had developed for the (original) works of Karl Marx and Frederick Engles.

Moreover, as someone who spent a total of eleven years in three different universities, it has long been my experience that university professors are hostile toward Marxian thought even when they claim to be otherwise.

Yes, Vailhundt was correct to say that relatively few socialists come out of universities after being trained accordingly therein.

We, socialists, are indeed few, wield absolutely no amount of political power, and are, in fact, irrelevant relative to the American political landscape.



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www.slp.org/pdf/statements/siu_chart.pdf

deleonism.org/industrial-government.htm

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Before proceeding any further with this discussion, hellofromwarsaw, I would like to ask you to list the titles of all of the books penned by Karl Marx and or Frederick Engles that you have read.
Thank you, sir or madam.

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www.slp.org/pdf/statements/siu_chart.pdf

deleonism.org/industrial-government.htm

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Google is your friend, Patricio. I suggest you look up Biden's opposition to busing when it was going to effect wealthy white neighborhoods in his state.

He made this tortured argument that racial discrimination wasn't racial discrimination if blacks chose to live in black neighborhoods. He argued that the all-white schools and all-black schools were just a result of the fact that "birds of a feather flock together" (my words, not his, but that was the gist of it). And he claimed that he was in favor of desegregating schools in the South, but not in Delaware, where his wealthy white constituents were telling him they didn't want black kids bused into their lily white schools. So he introduced legislation to prevent that from happening.

Look it up for yourself. It's all right there. Google it. The man is a racist. That's his record and his history. All of his statements about being for black people, making Kamala his VP, all of that is window dressing.

What would you say about "Senator Donald Trump (R) from Delaware" if he had introduced such legislation? Hmm?

 

The irony is Kamala itself called Sniffy out on his racism during the debates. Goodness that human with the right genitalia for the job has a short memory!

 

Pelosi and Chuckles Schumer.

 

Former member of the Commies. Abandoned them when they were hijacked by bored middle class poseurs.

Staying out of 'organisations' until such time as membership is comprised of something other than vogueing capitalists.

 

Socialism is a verb. It's in every facet of our daily lives, as lived. It's individual collectives existing with a high degree of self-reliance (and thus able to exist at a remove from the buying/selling of labour), within the framework of the broader politics and economy of time and place.

We all have the choice to live collectively .. but VERY few make that choice. When it comes down to it, the vast majority much prefer to buy/sell labour. Few want to work for nix, and that's what it takes.

 

I suggest you look up the fact that blacks are the group who gave Biden the nomination and the presidency.

So, if blacks say he's not a racist, I'll take their word for it, not yours.


Look, Biden didn't support busing. Fact is, during that Era, noting that I was very much an adult during that era and this affected a friend of mine, I could easily see it from the anti-busing point of view.

Okay, here's the thing, busing was a MAJOR ****ING HASSLE , in L.A, for parents, 'cause they wanted to bus my friend's daughter from Van Nuys to South L.A. So, her daughter either had get on a long bus ride every day, or she could drive her there.

Now you look me in the eye if you were that parent, would you want this?

It wasn't about racism, it was about a major ****ing hassle.

Schools were already desegregated in the 70s, so that issue is moot. You'll have to show me the link on that one.

Biden's cabinet and staff is far more diverse than Trump's. So, you can't tell me he is racist, that's nuts.

 

That's spin. Being anti-busing doesn't equal being racist. You forgot one thing, I was there.

So, blacks are the group who gave Biden the nomination and the presidency.

So, if blacks say he's not a racist, I'll take their word for it, not yours.

Look, Biden didn't support busing. Fact is, during that Era, noting that I was very much an adult during that era and this affected a friend of mine, I could easily see it from the anti-busing point of view.

Okay, here's the thing, busing was a MAJOR ****ING HASSLE , in L.A, for parents, 'cause they wanted to bus my friend's daughter from Van Nuys to South L.A. So, her daughter either had get on a long bus ride every day, or she could drive her there.

Now you look me in the eye if you were that parent, would you want this?

It wasn't about racism, it was about a major ****ing hassle. Busing sucked, it really did.

Schools were already desegregated in the 70s, so that issue is moot. You'll have to show me the link on that one.

Biden's cabinet and staff is far more diverse than Trump's. So, you can't tell me he is racist, that's nuts.

As for the crime bill, everyone acknowledges 'unintended consequences', noting that Rep. Jim Clyburn voted for that, bill, as well.

 

"I do not want my children going to school in a racial jungle."

- Senator Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.

 

There are tons of links. It's history. I'll give you one anyway.

NEWPORT, Del. — In July 1974, with a federal court in Delaware on the verge of ordering busing to integrate Wilmington’s overwhelmingly black public schools, Joseph R. Biden Jr. arrived at a school auditorium in this predominantly white suburb to find himself the target of a political ambush.

Just two years after narrowly winning a Senate seat at the age of 29, Mr. Biden had recently cast two votes to protect the practice of busing to achieve desegregation — despite his own very public unease with it. He thought he had come to Newport simply to address a local civics organization. But when he got there, more than 200 people, organized by a largely white parent group that opposed busing, jeered and heckled Mr. Biden, demanding that he more vocally join their cause ...

The meeting marked a turning point for the young senator, who counted himself a liberal Democrat and an ardent defender of civil rights. Not long after that verbal drubbing, Mr. Biden plunged headfirst into one of the most politically fraught and racially divisive topics in America. He emerged as the Democratic Party’s leading anti-busing crusader — a position that put him in league with Southern segregationists, at odds with liberal Republicans and helped change the dynamic of the Senate, turning even some leaders in his own party against busing as a desegregation tool.

“No issue has consumed more of my time and energies,” Mr. Biden declared with a flourish as he opened a Senate hearing in 1981, adding, “We want to stop court-ordered busing.” - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/politics/biden-busing.html

It's worthwhile to note that Newport and Wilmington are in the same county and only 5 miles apart, and it takes about 9 minutes to drive from one to the other. When I was growing up, my high school was about 10 miles away and took about 20 minutes to drive to. I got up and ready every morning to catch the bus, and never thought anything of it. Because the bus made many stops, it took at least 30-40 minutes to arrive at school.

Typically of Joe, he tried to split hairs, saying that he was against "de jure" segregation, but not "de facto" segregation, the type that "white flight" creates.

It speaks to his character. If I wish to give Joe the benefit of the doubt - that he is not in his heart a racist - I am still left with the belief that, when his political career was on the line, he sided with them. From the same article ...

“I don’t know whether he’s just reconstructed this history in his own mind, but he’s factually untruthful, that’s for sure,” said Gary Orfield, a California professor who has written extensively about school desegregation, including in Wilmington, and who testified before Mr. Biden in 1981. He said that for politicians like Mr. Biden, the busing question was “a real test of conscience and courage. I think he failed.” ...

Also from the same article ...

Then he did something that stunned his colleagues: He joined up with Jesse Helms, the segregationist senator from North Carolina, to offer his own anti-busing amendment to that year’s education spending bill.

Under the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964, the federal Department of Health, Education and Welfare had a powerful tool to fight school segregation: It could withhold funding from districts that refused to integrate — and integration effectively meant busing. Mr. Helms wanted to strip the agency of that power.

As Mr. Biden rose on the Senate floor in September 1975 to embrace that approach, Mr. Helms wryly welcomed him “to the ranks of the enlightened.”

This issue of his character, and his attempts to "have it both ways", so to speak, reminds me of the interview he had regarding Tara Reade's accusation that he sexually abused her. "Women should be believed", he said, "And the truth is, it never happened." This is the classic double-speak of Joe Biden.

Ah well, it's past history, and, like a chameleon, he's reinvented himself over the years, and he's going to be the President very soon.

I realize that all the Democrats wanted to do was to defeat Trump, no matter who they nominated. I'm sure they're enjoying their victory, for now. But it's a shame that this was the best they could do.

 

Biden is corrupt...he is a criminal and he is selling his country down the drain

 

One remark doesn't make anyone a racist.

He was veep to a black president, the prez elect is black.

He winning the presidency was owing largely to the black vote.

He has more black people in his staff and cabinet than any prior president.

Apparently, black people do not believe he is a racist.

So, I believe them before I will believe you.

 

I'm saying what the entire world outside your little propaganda machine knows about biden and Obama and holder and Clinton, that they are lied about endlessly on the GOP propaganda machine. Not a single one has made it anywhere near a court room because they are just pure bologna. Meanwhile most Republicans would be in prison without pardons these days..... Trump is the swamp. Along with Rupert Murdoch and all that mess that you the GOP base believe...

 

You have absolutely no evidence of that that will stand up in a court of law. And stop disrespecting our wonderful national institutions. The GOP of today and it's propaganda is our disgrace. The world's laughing stock and horror.....