Now that Democrats and Republicans agree that the Electoral College should not elect the President..

So for you it's more likely that there is a giant conspiracy of the FBI, Republican Governors and Secretary of State, hundreds of poll workers, Trump's own
Justice Department, the Supreme Court and the Illuminati ... whatever, dude.

 

I’m embarrassed for these “grown men” crying about a “stolen election”. How they can look themselves in the mirror without utter disgust is a mystery to me.

 

Awesome leap Daniel. Trying out for the high school long jump team again? None of this requires much conspiracy. Just willful ignorance of the underlying process that allowed fraudulent mail in ballots without retaining or following the necessary chain of custody or verification. Since these incidence all happened in dark rooms in democratic party run cities, of course, only those folks had to be in on it. And of course, they broke the law by changing votes (affidavits in 5 states support this claim) discounted votes (affidavits claim this in at least 6 states) or excluded poll watchers from viewing the counts (illegal in all disputed states and affidavits in all these states confirm in their testimony) buy you can't be bothered. And instead of being concerned enough to want some assurity, you'd rather play just continue and ignore the facts, because you're ok with the outcome. Flip the script, had Biden lost, what would your position be? We have the tape already, so no need to answer, you have been for the preceding four years.

 

And if all this is so "obvious" then you should have no difficulty in winning court cases to prove it...

Unless, there is a giant conspiracy by the Justice Department, the FBI, the Supreme Court, hundreds of poll workers, and the Republican governor and Secretary of State.

Which brings us back to stupid-assed conspiracy crap.

 

And, of course, by "legal votes" you mean votes approved by your QAnon mentors, right?

 

I'm not talking about government. So the rest of your post is meaningless. I'm talking about elections. In a democracy, elections are governed by the will of the people. In a dictatorship they are governed by an elite. Which might be the government itself. Like in North Korea, where Congress decides who the President is (lo an behold, it's always just happens to be somebody from the Kim family). And it looks like that's the model Trump is proposing for the United States. Which is that the Federal Government, not the people, not even the states... decide who the President should be.

Do you or do you not agree with him? Cut the B.S. and answer the question. Or withdraw from the discussion with no answer, by which we will understand that the response you have to give conflicts with your supposed "ideology"

 

It's not up to Trump. It's up to the states. If you disagree you might want to quote the part of the Constitution in which you base your argument that the President (who is also a candidate) must give their "approval" as to how the states select their electors.

Or maybe you believe that the Constitution should be changed so the sitting President must approve who the next President should be.

 

It is not who votes that counts but who counts the votes....amirite?

 

I suppose you think reality resides on MSNBC......

 

Nope.

There is a reason I don't start threads with claims from EITHER side of the political spectrum. I think the truth
usually resides somewhere in the middle and I'm not going to be some promoter of click-bait bullshit like is seen so
often on the internet.

 

I believe yep, you do think reality resides on MSNBC.....

 

Did the Democrats antics over the last 4 yrs trying to oust "orange man bad" embarrass you too?

 

YES

 

"Antics"??? Is that what you guys are calling the Constitution of the United States these days? Sounds like the GOP is in total freefall.

 

You're right. And when a win like that comes, what will your response be? You assured us over and over that all of the intel agencies had vetted the russia hoax and yet here we are today. Sometimes folks have to review the record to see how credible the source is. So, it doesn't actually require a lot of imagination for the SoS in say GA to be as wrong as he is. Really. He hasn't yet been held accountable, but at some point, he will be. And then what? Are you really willing to just ignore all of the evidence so you can rejoice that your orange man bad pique can be assuaged? That seems pretty immoral.

 

So... actually, our elections, in this country don't work that way. We elect representatives on our behalf. You just still can't get past that, and is why you ignored it entirely.

 

Why try to change the subject then? You admit then that I am correctly characterizing his approach here. You can assert different process but it still doesn't change the assessment of the original poster I responded to. The president can , and is, a harmed party subject to all of the legislatively and judicially guaranteed rights of an aggrieved party. And since no one asserted that the president has to give their approval, besides you, it seems you also aren't willing to have an honest conversation about the topic.

 

Oh good! A discussion based on a false premise. It will be interesting to see who defends letting mind readers elect our presidents. "And the winner of the election, decided by a random guy on the internet who believes he knows what everyone agrees on, is...."

 

That's just the kind of disorienting comment we've been getting from The Following for some time now. Those of us experiencing objective reality understand the opposite of what you stated to be true. While Dems work to encourage eligible voters to vote Repubs do the opposite, working to suppress the votes of targeted groups. While Dems seek to certify Biden's overwhelming victory, reflecting the will of a majority of Americans, some Repubs work to subvert that vote.
Repubs refusing to accept what is fact is what prevents many discussions from getting past the point of metaphorically agreeing the sky is blue. It makes reasoned debate impossible.

 

Once again, that is objectively false.

 

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes when you can't prove fraud, it's because fraud doesn't exist. You have convicted the Georgia SoS without
anything beyond feelz and internet rumors. And your accusations and claims that "he hasn't been held accountable" are the types of bullshit rhetoric
that get public servants killed.

And for last ****ing time - internet rumors are not "evidence".

 

lol Exabit A everyone

 

False choice.

 

OK let's make it democratic then, every state gets one vote.

 

Nope he wants to insure the the electors were constitutionally chosen.