Now that Democrats and Republicans agree that the Electoral College should not elect the President..

... the question is: who should elect them?

Democrats believe that it should be the people, through direct vote. Republicans (at least those who support Trump) think it should be the Vice President. Or maybe Congress. I don't know if they've figured that out yet. But definitely not the popular vote.

So, what now. We all agree that it shouldn't be the electoral college... Should it be the people, like Democrats want? Or should it be the Washington elites, like Trump is seeking?

What say you?

 

Trump actually thinks that he should be named dictator for life and then he can name his successors

That eliminates the whole electoral college issue

 

You are the only one who thinks we agree.

 

I say don't count me among the "we all". I like the Electoral College and the system we now have. There is nothing I'm hearing that is better.

 

Looks like fake ballots are electing presidents now.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/...cotton-electoral-college-certification-454515

Cotton wants very badly to keep the undemocratic EC since he understands it is the only path to ever having a Repub prez again.

 

I see. So I'm guessing you must be angry that Trump wants to overturn the Electoral College decision.

 

Fake ballots according to who?

 

I meant, of course, those who support Trump in his quest to overturn the Electoral College decision, and those of us who believe the EC is obsolete and anti-democratic.

 

That's pretty much Trump's alternative (which changes depending on the time of day): have QAnon conspiracy theorists decide who is President by arbitrarily determining which ballots to count and which ones should not count.

 

Meaning we all agree except for those who disagree. That sure clears that up.

 

Well I'm not so sure I would phrase it as he wants to overturn the EC. I don't hear him say he is against the EC. He does want a recount and a fair accounting. If the EC votes Biden in then I'm fine with the EC vote, just not fine with a Biden presidency. I do scratch my head on how Biden twice failed to get his party's nomination for president yet in 2020 he received more popular votes than any president in the history of the U.S. When Trump says there was some voter fraud I agree based on the reporting of the news media and some eye witnesses accounts.

 

Perhaps you should restate your narrative. Democrats don't believe in representative government. Just a simple edit.... For the rest of us, I haven't seen anyone declare on the right that the electoral college is defunct. But sure... you thought a little transference would be nice.

 

I have seen you claim that you disagree with Trump before, and then it turned out you didn't. So I'm not counting on this not including you.

 

When you lose just whine, cry, kick the game board and accuse the winner of cheating. Certainly works for children.

 

You can phrase it any way you want. But the fact is that the EC made a decision, and Trump wants to overturn it.

BTW, Trump doesn't want a recount. He just wants the Washington Congressional Elite to declare him the winner, despite what the Electoral College already decided.

 

Restating is unnecessary. As I said, we believe it should be the direct vote of the people that decides who is President. Unlike QAnon Republicans who believe it should be an elite.

But the OP is intended to point out, not the differences, but the point in common. Which is that both sides now agree that we should do away with the EC.

 

.....and democrats.

 

By law only the legal votes should count.

 

Reality.

 

Hmm... so, perhaps you fail to understand the structure of representative government. I also don't get why you insist on trying to establish some kind of link between conservatives/republicans and this annoyance you have with QAnon. But ok. I, for one, believe that I can and do elect a representative, who, acting with the will of their representative base make a series of choices. Why? Because the public aren't capable of understanding the complexities of actually creating or developing legislation, which is why we trust that our representatives do as we wish while in office. Should they not, we can and do vote them out.

At the same time, public affirmation would be entirely unworkable, and you know it. It relies on a series of crafted narratives that you feel you could produce to produce the result you feel you want. I, for one, don't see a value to that, nor do I find that most of the public could, if asked, be responsible enough or informed enough o actually make these decisions. I watch democracy on our streets demand, for example, the end of police because they got mad at police because folks in media inflamed them. That isn't democracy, it's stupidity enshrined in a mob.

So, no thanks. I'll be happy allowing representative government continue. Your vote for the mob inflamed by your pet media duly noted. And I wholly reject your notion that we agree on the point of commonality from your OP.

 

I believe your characterization is incorrect. Trump feels that the certification was based on not having done the diligence to have assurity that the vote totals were both accurate and fair. Having not received inductive relief from what looks to be a number of problematic states, it seems his beef is with accepting what he feels is obviously an incorrect conclusion given the certifications that most likely include a large portion of illegally cast ballots. So, your kindergarten fantasy story is amusing, but most certainly only just your fantasy.

 

What good is the EC if one party can dislike the electors and want them replaced? After the election? It would have been more palatable if they'd challenged the choice of electors prior to the election - but after just comes off as whiny.

As I've stated before, I find it wholly unacceptable that a candidate can win the popular vote but lose the election through the EC. And no, I'm not talking about Hillary - I mean every time its happened. It just feels like the will of the people is not being followed.

 

You really don't understand how many people dislike Trump? His favorability numbers have been poor for the entirety of his time in office, he is
seen by the majority as having done a poor job during the pandemic, he cheated on his wife with porn stars while she was taking
care of her new-born son ... and you just don't understand why people would vote against him?

Really?


Really?


Really?

 

Sorry dude - "reality" isn't what some conservative person posts on a blog.