Do you believe that Trump is responsible for the storming of the Capitol?

Personally not at all, he wanted his supporters to protest but in no way encouraged violence or rioting, he deployed the National Guard to restore order, told the rioters to go home and appealed for peace. It is hypocrisy for those who championed Antifa and BLM's blatant anarchism and vandalism to now say it was wrong for the other side to do exactly the same thing.

 

He, as POTUS should have been aware (and may have been aware) of all the online talk within right wing internet groups - that was behind monitored - about just such actions being planned on that day.

Wilful ignorance is no excuse!

 

I don't think he encouraged it, but I also don't think he really cared.

 

About that option:

No, it's an absurd allegation.

It's an "absurd" allegation in that same way the "2+2=4" is an "absurd" assumption.

 

That was only after the violence wasn't it? His rhetoric beforehand was very different. I certainly don't think he directly encouraged violence but he didn't do or say anything before hand directly addressing the very real risk. I don't think anyone predicted the attack on the Capitol but there was plenty of reason to expect violence and vandalism on the streets which he could have tempered.

In general, I also think these protests have exactly the same problem as BLM, in that they don't have any clearly defined demand or end point (certainly nothing realistic or focused) and so it just becomes unfocused anger and hate.

True, but it is equally hypocrisy for those who attacked all of the BLM protestors and organisers for the violence of some. They also share some responsibility for failing to direct their protests and temper the hatred and aggression that leads to violence and destruction but no more or less that Trump and his supporters. Ultimately they're (you're?) all as bad as each other.

 

You say he deployed the NG. Why was it blocked “repeatedly”? Would it change your opinion if he was purposely delayed them?
https://theweek.com/speedreads/9596...y-denied-authorization-send-national-guard-dc

 

Nowhere in your article did it say Trump purposely delayed them? How do you make that assertion?

 

Yes, the President of the United States, no matter who sits in the Oval Office Chair is God, Omniscient. Can't believe you spewed that crap. The President, ANY President is only one person. To claim that they should know something before it happens is as absurd as one can get. Millions of people in this country. Billions of people on the planet. And you really expect ANY President to be able to tell and stop every time when something bad is going to happen? Such a foolish notion.

 

Out of sight, out of mind

 

Or just simply not known. Unless you can prove that he knew for sure that the riot was going to happen then all you have is CT nonsense.

 

I don't have it in front of me but they did an interview with law enforcement who said that it was all being monitored. Trump is in charge last time I checked. You do realise that he is President right?

My understanding is also that Pence and others took the lead getting the national guard to the Capitol and that Trump was resisting that.

Out of sight out of mind is the way Trump has deliberately cut off information flow about what is happening around him to create his own preferred reality. This is not acceptable behaviour for a president.

 

That's wild speculation, I could understand why you might think that given some of the press reports but read between the lines and look for the actual facts, this is wishful thinking on the part of the left wing media.

 

I have a better idea. You prove your assertion mister.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...d-after-rioters-stormed-capitol-1560186?amp=1

 

I answered this....

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No although I could see how people might think that if they misinterpreted his remarks.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ed-at-the-trump-rally.583457/#post-1072357654

Were Antifa actor protestors involved at the Trump rally?

 

I don't have to, you've made the claim now substantiate it. Notice even Newsweek uses a question mark in its' headline? A common media tactic, post opinion and supposition in a manner which suggests fact.

 

The same thing? wow.

So there is some equivalency in your mind between people protesting yet another very real racially based police murder, live on tv and a bunch of people fed monsterous lies about election fraud and egged on by violent rhetoric invading the Capitol building while congress was in session with the aim of preventing a consititutional duty to the peaceful transfer of political power.

Yep exactly the same thing to some.

At least we can agee that all those perps vandalizing the capitol should get soundly stomped on.
No doubt according to trumpists, bythe time the feds are finished there wont be any more BLM or antifa followers left on the streets.

 

You don't really mean that comment about the "?" do you?
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You need to get your eyes checked, when did you ever see a racially based police murder live on TV? Is the racially based police murder in the room with you now? Fine me one. It's okay for people to query the election results and protest about it, they went too far but that's hardly Trump's fault.

 

Because it's a nothingburger of a story, it's conjecture trying to sell itself as fact in order to influence people. And it seems to have succeeded in your case.

 

Trump wound up the crowd, and pointed them toward the Capitol Building. I don’t think he knew what he was doing, and that is just too sad for words - he’s really that stupid.

 

ahh! there's the answer to my are you a terrorist / seditionist? question lol

 

For pointing out the truth? I think when you go LOL it actually means 'lack of learning' on your part.

 

Why shouldn't his supporters have the right to protest? Everyone else does?

 

hopefully you'll learn a few Patriotic things after a few years of paying for your crimes against society.

 

President Trump is not an idiot, only idiot would say ‘go and break the law by breaking to the Capitol Hill’.
President Trump did what a smart person would do if he wanted the crowd to attack the Capitol Hill:

First tell the crowd how patriotic they are, how they care about the country, how Democrats stole the election and how they want to destroy America and tell them in order to save America:

“We're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol--
And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.
Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong.
We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated.
I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today, we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections. But whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time. Far longer than this four year period.
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So we are going to--we are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we are going to the Capitol, and we are going to try and give--the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote but we are going to try--give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help, we're try--going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue”.