14-year-old girl who opened fire at deputies referred to Grand Theft Auto: Sheriff

Because a 14 and 12 year old got them.

 

How long does it take to open a safe? 5, maybe 10 seconds?

 

Happen to read where they were inspired by a violent video game? Will those be banned?

 

How long does it take for home invaders to bust down the door? One good kick.

 

Almost.

 

For young, delinquent kids-- very effective, I'd wager.

 

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Why a legal requirement to stow you guns in a safe violates the constitution.

 

If that were true, few people would need guns to, "protect their homes;" all they would have to do is lock the door.

Do you see how these two of your posts, & these two concepts in your mind, contradict each other? If there is a legitimate need for a gun, to protect one's home, then, obviously a locked door is not sufficient protection, or safely secured.

 

So.. you -don't- know they weren't in a safe.
Thank you

 

Thread win.

 

Theres safes and then theres safes. Nothing is 100% secure. I could get into just about anything if left alone with it and a few tools for an evening. How secure is secure enough? My gun locker is 360deg 1/8" steel with an 'unpickable' (faiap) lock. But it wouldn't stop a portable grinder ...and very little out there would. So ...do i need a bank vault or what?

 

My god. If they were secured, the children could not have taken them. Pretty basic laws of physics at work here.

 

Yeah, and a raccoon got into a raccoon-proof container.

What is possible isn't the issue here. Surely you don't think the 14 year old carries a grinder around with him. Who does? I've never heard of it, but I'm just one person. If this is something people do, then I would suggest getting a storage container that is impervious to grinders. Simple.

Point is, when you leave the house, you lock up the guns, where they can't be found. Just like when you leave your vehicle, they go in the trunk. Common sense.

 

Strawman argument: this was two children who got them; what's the odds they had an angle grinder on them? Of course, nothing can be secured against ALL attack; the logical alternative isn't, then, that you might as well stand up your rifle next to the door. It's taking enough precaution that it would require effort, from a professional thief, but would stymie the casual crook, just looking to get in & out, as quickly as possible, with cash being the main objective (so that gold jewelry makes a much more efficient grab, than locked-up guns).

 

I doubt he had one with him. But its prolly a 50/50 shot that the house they broke into had one (or a similar tool) already in it.

Point is, no one here knows whether the kids found the guns laying on the kitchen counter or whether they broke them out of the gun safe once they were alone in the house they broke into.

A storage container resistant to common cutting tools costs 10's of thousands of dollars. Im guessing you dont have much experience in steel fabrication ...thats not a dis btw, but there simply isn't a way to secure things that go unmonitored. Thats why banks have alarm systems and security patrols. Nothing is tool proof, because they make tools for everything.

 

The ARTICLE says:
"The 12-year-old boy told investigators he grabbed the AK-47 and two loaded magazines for the AK-47 from a case in the bedroom, according to the charging affidavit."

Doesn't sound like it was much trouble, or took much time or effort, to grab it.

 

No we don't have the specifics. I don't need specifics to see a problem when 12 and 14 year old children obtain guns from a house they broke into. Something is definitely wrong with this picture. Regardless of how it happened, the sad point is that it didn't have to happen.

Nothing's gonna change because of this. That doesn't mean we should accept it. We can't force people to be responsible anything, much less gun owners. The real focus of this story is the kids' histories, not the guns. The guns turn the abuse tragic. Sad.

 

It sounds precisely how you want it to sound.

 

You're still just making assumptions. These arent casual thieves, they're teenagers. How long were they in the house? Why is it so hard to accept the possibility they might have had the basic wisdom to check the garage for a tool to help break into a locked case in the bedroom? When you were a teenager, would you have been too dumb to think of that? You're not one of those people who believes all tragedies are preventable are you?

 

This question gets answered over and over again ad ad nauseam. One major reason is protection. The police show up generally after a crime is committed. SCOTUS and lower courts have ruled that police/government do not have any Constitutional requirement to protect anyone. I posted a case before on PF (not that long ago) regarding two women who were beaten and sexually raped and sodomized for 14 hours in Washington DC where the police opted not to respond to several calls and it was ruled the police had no requirement to respond. You can opt to make a personal decision to not protect yourself and family. I will not make that decision and to the best of my ability will not allow liberals to make that decision for me.

And of course the overarching protection issue is illustrated by countries like North Korea. Do you think the people there would perhaps like to have a 2nd Amendment?

The liberal outrage over gun ownership cannot be supported by issues of public safety. Liberals let violent criminals out of jail, allow violent mob activity, attempt to (and do) defund police, and promote an invasion of illegals into our country that has killed thousands due to drunk driving alone.

 

I notice how libs never demonstrate outrage over kids being programmed for violence by video games and the filth coming out of Hollywood.

 

Why is it hard for for me to imagine that the 12-yr old, after breaking into a house, didn't go look for power tools, to noisily cut open a metal safe? I think a better question might be why is it so easy for you to imagine that is a 50 - 50 liklihood. But the main reason is the quote, I provided: the kid said he, "grabbed the AK-47 and two loaded magazines...from a case in the bedroom." You are incorrect in suggesting that the word, "grabbed," could just as soon mean, scavenged for tools and broke into its secure case, as it could mean, "grabbed." The word is meant to suggest something quick, & no-fuss. A person, "grabs a hot dog," from a street vendor, or, "grabs a burger," at McDonald's or some other fast-food joint. If one is talking about a 5-course meal at the Four Seasons, then they do not use the word, "grab," unless they don't understand our language all that well.

As to your second question, whether I was too dumb, as a teenager, to think of searching for power tools to gain access to a gun case that was designed to be difficult to gain access to, for a burglar: 1) I would think, if I had broken into a house, I would try not to make a lot of noise; and I would not want to linger for an unnecessarily long time; that is, I would be anxious to get out, so would keep my foraging brief. Since I did not know any illegal gun dealers (& still don't), I would not assume I would have been able to (safely) sell that weapon on the black market at anywhere near its market value, if at all. So spending an extended amount of time, making much more noise than necessary, for something with a very indefinite pay-out, seems to me, now, not a very bright move. When I was a teen, however, 2) I was not so dumb as to break into a person's house, to begin with.

 

I use that word too. When I have to drive three hours home, get storage keys from my house, drive to storage, dig through bins of parts to find a part we're missing for a job, and drive three hours back, I 'ran home and grabbed it'. You're simply seeing what you want to see in liu of pertinent information.

 

Your car should be secured by more than a pane of glass. Your birth certificate, SS card, etc. should be secured by more than a pane of glass. If someone breaks into your house and steals your wife's jewelry, it's not your fault that they were not in a locked safety deposit box inside of a bank vault inside of Ft. Knox, inside the Cheyenne Mountain Nuclear Bunker. It's their fault that they stole what was not theirs. Why do you guys continue to blame the victims and give the bad guys a pass? It get's tiresome. Yes, people should keep their guns in a safe. I do but no one should have to. I grew up with our guns stored safely in my Dad's closet, in a house that never had the doors locked. It's not where the guns are stored but rather the moral compass of those that think it's ok to steal and those that let those people get away with it.

 

I seem to recall the article saying the house was empty. Does anyone know if that meant it was occupied but the homeowner was away or if the house was not a primary residence and typically vacant where these weapons were stored?