Senate Democrats to Introduce A Socialist 'Public Option'

That has been the republican's boring platitude since I listened to Ford debate Carter in the 70s.

You are using propaganda terms, like 'bureaucracy' noting that big business is just as bureaucratic as big government, I've worked for both. "Big goverment" "small government" These are platitudes, a propaganda terms, they are NOT an argument.

Laws are good if they are good laws, government is good if it is good government.

Your argument is, essentially, a 'thought terminating cliché'.

There is no 'backwards' or 'forwards' on this concept, there is only ......

Clarity versus mush.

 

Says who? Didn't you get the memo, HEALTH CARE IS COMPLICATED.

That is why it's 2700 pages. If you gave me a comprehensive health care bill that was only 100 pages, I'd tell you have barely skimmed the surface, there are thousands of health care items and issues your bill has failed to address. It tells me are your not approaching policy with pragmatism and comprehensiveness and depth of knowledge, you are approaching it dogmatically, which tells me you are an incompetent politician ( if you were a politician coming at me with that line ).

 

In your own words, what's your definition of capitalism?

 

Step one of the overt communist takeover. Actually it’s step 2. Step one was control of our education.

 

You do have a point in a way. 100 pages is probably about right for a sensible federal bill on medical coverage, but to explain all the details, intricacies, nonsense, and unconstitutional activities would take thousands of words and puffery that could easily run 2700 pages.

 

I literally just told ya.

 

That's correct!

Soooooooooo phoken simple.......

Socialism; State-ownership of the means of production used to produce and deliver goods and services

VA Health Means/Factors of production; State-owned medical facilities, State-owned equipment and tools, State Employees.

 

If you say both, you're gonna confuse the below average intelligent posters in this thread........

Medicare, administered by the SSA, is a PRIMARY payer of health care services, thus, Medicare PRIMARILY PAYS for the delivery of health care services.

The secondary payer, and/or the co-payer is YOU, ME and THEM.

FISCALLY, Medicare payments to health care facilities/health care workers are fiscally categorized as GOVERNMENT TRANSFER PAYMENTS, same as Covid19 Relief Checks, and a Government Transfer Payment IS NOT socialism.

 

Sure it's a socialist program. It's the government provision of medical insurance. It's not hard. Medical insurance is a good, just like medical services are.

 

First, it is not a socialist program, it is a social program.

Second, ECONOMICALLY, money converts to a produced good and/or a service when it is spent.

Last, you are bemused.

 

Here's an indisputatble fact; Medicare is a national health insurance program administered by the ''Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), a government agency.



However, just to please the sick-minded people, according to ''thesaurus.com'', the word ''administered'' has 24 synonyms; and RUN is one of them

Thus, Medicare is a national health insurance program RUN by the ''Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), a government agency.

Now, the Social Security Amendments of 1965/Health Insurance for the Aged Act, titled/sub-titled the term ''HEALTH INSURANCE'' at least 100 times.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-79/pdf/STATUTE-79-Pg286.pdf

However, just to further please the sick-minded people, I will replace the word INSURANCE with the word CARE, thus, label Medicare as ''Government RUN health CARE''.

 

Actually, I think it’s more ideology versus actuality. IF you don’t think our government is a massive bureaucracy you’re fooling yourself. Ironic you criticize me for “boring platitudes and then drop “ Laws are good if they’re good . . . “

 

I know and I agree, it's not technically "socialism"....then again, the things Right-wingers decry as socialism aren't either. They hurl the term as an epithet devoid of any logic or reason. It is for this reason that Republicans on a national level haven't introduced any real health care reform, even though the original blueprints for the ACA were originally developed by the Heritage Foundation. The fact that Obama took that and turned it into a reality burns Republicans' fragile egos, so now they are left with hurling the "socialism" bullshit.

 

Oh yeah, are you forgetting about who created the latest useless agency, Space Force?

 

Here's one fact that can't be denied;

The opposite of privately-owned is state-owned.

 

You are entitled to that opinion, but you are pulling it out of thin air, particularly your using the term 'unconstitutional' is the tip off your opinion on this subject lacks credibility.

 

You are putting words in my mouth.

The aphorism is pithy, I can't help it if it eludes you.

 

How words do you want, entire books are written defining capitalism. You confuse social services with economic socialism.
Capitalism a system of free market economics with the least government interference and control where the means of production are owned by the private citizens.

 

So do you believe the military and fire and police are socialism, yes or no? And I don't know of any conservatives that assert ANY government program or service is sociliamism.

Are you saying the Dems have not and do not promote socialism and socialistic policies even in disguise such as using the tax system to tax away corporate and private investment income to redistribute that income? If not what do you call that policy?

 

“Putting words in your mouth”? I quoted your words - they came out of your mouth.
It’s “pithy” only if you have lisp. The federal government employees almost two million civilians, our military about a million and a half. Yet you distain to call it a bureaucracy.

 

Please attempt to point to the enumerated power in the Constitution that lists medical care.

 

Seriously? You’re so bereft of solid arguments you have to resort to “whataboutTrump”? I hear some folks disagreed with making the Air Force a seperate service as well.

 

I believe in 'capitalism plus' see Maher's video

 

You are creating a strawman argument.

If you are going to assert I said I believe that the government is a bureaucracy, I would never say that without qualification . But, I will do that now....

In fact, because there was no qualification, you will find I didn't actually say that, and to that extent, you are putting words in my mouth, but since you are inquiring, the issue is not the government, per se, it's bigness.

I've worked for big business and big government, and both are bureaucratic, the notable difference is that you can't file a FOIA request with a corporation.

It's a strawman especially since the above was not the point of my rebuttal, which you missed, entirely,


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Sure it is. Democrats point to these programs in Europe and call it socialism, lol. Now it's not? Good lord.

And you think this helps make your argument how? LOL

Just educating you on economics.