Please help me understand why some people are refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

There are as many reasons as there are people who so refuse.
Their body, their choice; their reasons do not require your approval or your understanding.

 

LIE.

There are numerous prophylactic measures one can take, including but not limited to:

** Eating a healthy diet.
** Taking Vitamin C, D, and Zinc supplements.
** Getting fresh air and sunlight.
** Exercising / boosting one's immune system.
** Taking hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin (the better one imo). These are also safe and effective treatment options.

The media and their leftist government allies don't want you to know about any of this. Ask yourself WHY that is......

LIE. COVID typically presents as a mild flu (typically with loss of taste and/or smell), and in and of itself does NOT kill.

Nope...

Nice thinking... I think that us "hick stupid bible thumpin' uneducated Trumper rural folk" out to stop delivering valuable resources to your big cities (such as food, water, electricity, and etc) and keep them for ourselves instead...

 

Unless you've already had the disease. If so, you are protected and do not need the vaccine.

 

When Trump was in office... They were openly saying that they did not trust, and would not get, the "Trump vaccine".

 

Nobody has died from it???? LOL LOL LOL Only a half million or so. Geez, where do you get your information from?

 

Maybe 2 or 3 said that. Most Dems have been for it all along and pushed Trump to inact something similar to the Warp Speed.

 

Very few people have died from Covid alone.

 

Huh? What did I make up? You don't believe Trump took the vaccine? https://www.deseret.com/2021/4/23/2...coronavirus-vaccine-obama-bush-clinton-carter

 

Is 500.000 Americans, not many?

 

COVID-19 in and of itself does not kill. It is the pneumonia that can result from it that kills. That can be treated with aggressive antibiotics. COVID-19 itself can be treated (and prevented) with a regimen of hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin (the better option, imo).

The "half million or so" deaths were all caused by something other than COVID. You are being lied to.

We don't have a COVID-19 threat. It is a hoax being sustained by a "COVID Death" reporting scam. Here is how it works.

Step 1. The CDC hijacks the term "Underlying Cause of Death" and uses it to rename "unrelated coincidence." This way, whenever any person who coincidentally might have possibly had some cold or flu symptoms dies of something completely unrelated to COVID-19, the virus can nonetheless be determined to be underlying the cause of death ... not the cause of death but underlying it. Through wordplay, it transforms into the Underlying Cause of Death ... which suddenly makes it a "cause of death." Do you see what they did there? COVID-19 is transformed from "having existed in the patient" to being determined a patient's "cause of death." This is the entry point for the CDC video below. Don't misunderstand, this new term does not replace any other terms; it is simply added to the existing terms Immediate Cause of Death, Conditions Leading to the Immediate Cause of Death and Contributing Factos (which goes in Part II). This term merely serves as the vehicle for getting COVID-19 to be determined to be a cause of death and listed in Section 1 of the death certificate, even when it is an unrelated coincidence.

Step 2. Medical Examiners are instructed to determine that COVID-19 is the Underlying Cause of Death if there is any unverified reason, anecdotal or otherwise, that the deceased might have possibly exhibited some symptoms that perhaps could be interpreted as having had a cold or the flu. The list of "potential symptoms" is long and any "symptom" on that list can be exhibited by someone who is about to die thus giving all medical examiners a broad mandate to determine that COVID-19 was present and underlying the death.

Step 3. Once COVID-19 is officially determined a "cause of death" (even if technically it isn't) COVID-19 can then be listed in Part 1 of the death certificate as a Cause of Death rather than be listed in Part 2 as merely a potential Contributing Factor. The CDC specifies how the death certificate is to be filled out, i.e. with "COVID-19" hard-coded as the Underlying Cause of Death, denoting that it was a completely unrelated coincidence. The death certificate is to be filled out as follows and no one is to be the wiser:

The actual direct cause of death is to be listed on line "A" under Immediate Cause of Death. Line "B" is for any conditions that actually caused/led to the immediate cause of death. Line "C" can be used to list any conditions that caused the development of the conditions listed in "B." Then whichever line ends up being the last line in the sequence is to be hardcoded with "COVID-19," as the Underlying Cause of Death. All deaths in which the death certificate lists COVID-19 as the Underlying Cause is classified and reported as a COVID Death!

It's all a scam. All deaths could be effectively labeled as COVID deaths.

 

More than that.

Irrelevant.

Do you mean "enact"?

They didn't push Trump to do "something similar to the Warp Speed". They poo-pooed Trump and acted as if a vaccine couldn't be available as quickly as it became available (at the tail end of his 1st term)... Trump proved them wrong, yet again, but now they act as if Biden should get credit for doing something other than putting together the biggest voter fraud organization in history. He meant to say "election fraud", but otherwise he was actually being honest there for a second...

 

Biden would for sure rather people die than refuse to do what he wants them to.

I got the shot. But I can understand why some people don't want to. Many feel they don't need it, such as those who have already contracted Covid. So why should they take a chance on it making them sick? And it's really none of anyone else's business their reasons.

Also, I fail to understand why those who have been vaccinated are worrying about it. They're safe, so how about they mind their own business?? Biden, of course, wants everyone to do it so he can make his goal. He isn't worried about anyone's health.

 

I suppose it’s the public health aspect of pandemic management that’s the reason for mass vaccinations.

 

Clean living often isn’t enough to prevent disease.

 

You actually believe that tripe don't you?

 

You didn't read what I said.
Try that. get back to me.

 

Hard to believe after all this time people still quoting such stuff.

 

To start with can you please indicate the site where you get your information from. Passing off words that are not your own is not a way to establish your credibility. I will take the time to respond because the info you are citing has all been repudiated. Why you would restate it and not quote the site you got it from is anyone's guess.

 

Among 378,048 death certificates from 2020 listing COVID-19, 5.5% listed COVID-19 without codes for any other conditions. Among 357,133 death certificates with at least one other condition, 97% had a co-occurring diagnosis of a plausible chain-of-event condition (e.g., pneumonia or respiratory failure), or a significant contributing condition (e.g., hypertension or diabetes), or both.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm

Thus:
Very few people have died from Covid alone.

 

GRM in post 60 you cited information I will repudiate. To start with I challenge your incited article making a blanket statement that all covid 19 deaths are reported falsely as part of a scam.


You specifically stated;


“COVID-19 in and of itself does not kill. It is the pneumonia that can result from it that kills.”


You also stated:


“The "half million or so" deaths were all caused by something other than COVID. You are being lied to.”


To start with if you are going to accuse anyone of lying state their names, state what they lied about, and proved what they lied about. You have not. You provide a one size fits all accusation with no specific examples or proof.


Here is an article that repudiates your article and explains how Covid 19 deaths are reported and directly addresses what is reported as the cause of death:


https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated


The article explains:


“At the core of the issue(reporting whether covid 19 was the cause of death or something else caused the death) is the fact that COVID-19 kills in myriad ways, typically setting off a combination of potentially fatal afflictions.


“COVID-19 can cause an extraordinarily wide range of clinical complications,” Auld says. “While pneumonia and respiratory failure are the most common manifestations, it can also cause blood clots, including strokes and heart attacks.”


When a COVID-19 patient dies, “it’s usually a cascade of events that lead to death — it’s not one thing,” agrees Daniel Handel, MD, MBA, MPH, chief medical officer for Indiana University Health’s South Central Region in Bloomington.


In addition, the disease’s brutal impact on people with other medical conditions — such as diabetes, hypertension, and heart ailments — can make COVID-19 one of several contributors to a death, says Sally Aiken, MD, chief medical examiner of Spokane County, Washington. Aiken has seen cases where elderly people who were in advanced decline due to Alzheimer’s disease and atrial fibrillation contracted COVID-19 and soon died.”


No doctor is lying. They are not hiding the fact that someone with covid 19 may have other illnesses that could have contributed or caused their death-the question though is how does a doctor determine which factor was the most likely reason someone died. If all the other illnesses someone had they died from could be said to have killed them that is one thing. However if Covid 19 caused the body with a lack of immunity to then be able to fight off these other illnesses-then the covid 19 may be the lethal cause. Someone without covid 19 could have these same conditions but not die but then because of covid 19, experience these illnesses in a different way unable to fight them from the covid 19, which kills them.


Your article fails to grasp that and simply accuses doctors of lying. There is no lying. What doctors are trying to honestly keep track of and report is whether covid 19 accelerated the death process or turned it in to what would have otherwise not been a fatal process.


The article goes on to clearly explain why the accusations in your uncited article are false:


“Many people think of a death certificate as a precise final verdict. But often, the document reflects a judgment that weighs the roles of multiple conditions, taking into account a person’s medical history along with their most recent medical data and symptoms.

“There always have been cases where there are gray areas of death certification,” says Aiken, immediate past president of the National Association of Medical Examiners.”


The article clearly explains the death reporting practice as follows:


“How death causes are recorded


Part I and II of a death certificate ask what caused a death and what other factors contributed to it. If COVID-19 appears among the causes and contributors, CDC guidance counts that as a COVID-19-related death.


Part I asks for the “immediate cause” of death, followed by any “conditions that led to the immediate cause,” the CDC explains in guidelines for certifying COVID-19 fatalities.


For example: In some COVID-19 cases, the immediate cause is an affliction that arose from the disease, such as pneumonia, while COVID-19 gets listed under that as an underlying condition that led to death. In other words, COVID-19 caused the pneumonia.


Part II asks for conditions that did not set off medical events that led to death but contributed in some other way. Here, COVID-19 appears as sort of an accomplice to a fatality that was probably going to occur from something else (such as a preexisting, terminal disease), albeit later than if the person had not contracted COVID-19.”


So it is just nlot true Covid 19 is blamed for all deaths.


Further this article clarifies why no one who reports covid 19 deaths are hiding other causes or trying to:


“COVID-19’s role in a death is perhaps most clear in an ICU. By the time COVID-19 patients get there, they are suffering severe symptoms of the disease and have probably tested positive for it.


“They might die from septic shock,” Auld says, referring to a faulty immune response that can cause tissue damage and organ failure and has been linked to COVID-19. “But when you go back to the reason they came to the hospital and got so sick, it’s COVID. If you go back to the root cause, it’s COVID.”


The assessment is often less clear in emergency departments. Some patients there are treated with no time to test them for COVID-19, notes Ali Raja, MD, MBA, MPH, executive vice chair of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital. Some do show obvious and severe COVID-19 symptoms or have a previous diagnosis of the disease.


“We put that [COVID-19]” on the death certificate in those cases, he says.

Others, however, have no COVID-19 symptoms or previous diagnosis. For those who die — from a heart attack, for instance — the role of COVID-19 might never be determined unless there’s a reason to run a post-mortem test for the disease, Raja explains. As for those killed by traumas such as accidents and assaults, a test wouldn’t matter.


“Whether or not you have COVID isn’t going to change your cause of death when you get hit by a car,” he says.


For medical examiners and coroners, COVID-19’s role in death can also be unclear before an autopsy or investigation. Many people who die at home do not get diagnosed with — or get medical care for — what ultimately kills them, Aiken notes. That’s particularly true of COVID-19.


“If you follow people with COVID, they can have a course that seems mild and rapidly declines. I’ve seen that in some of my cases,” she says.


These are among the reasons that current COVID-19 death totals are inherently incomplete estimates.”

 

Finally a voice of reason. Thanks for the research and for posting this.

 

GRM in post 60 you stated: “Covid 19 itself can be treated and prevented with a regimen of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin (the netter option imo).


Once again you provided no source for the above.


In regards to hydroxychloroquine:

No one recommends its use but you.

https://www.healthing.ca/diseases-a...-should-stop-talking-about-hydroxychloroquine


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/index.htm


https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safe...oroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-hydroxychloroquine-treat-covid-19


https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30390-8/fulltext


https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...ine-not-recommended-for-treatment-of-covid-19


In regards to ivermectin:

No one is recommending its use as a treatment for symptoms of Covid 19 outside carefully monitored trials at this time. Its not used to prevent Covid 19, if anything its used to treat complications people get with Covid 19 when this virus compromises their immune system and they then get fever, muscle aches, lung ailments. Since fever, muscle aches and lung issues can also be symptoms of malaria which ivermectin was created to treat, it is believed it may help contain or lessen similiar symptoms in Covid 19 patients but it would not be a cure.

It would not be a substitute for taking a vaccine nor is it guaranteed-it would be used as a therapy and only in cases where there are serious complications requiring it. Its not a magic cure by any means and its side effects on people with Covid 19 who have no auto immunities is not fully known and they are studying so its not being advised for use unless the patient is under constant observation in hospital. So for you to unilaterally describe it as you do is irresponsible.


https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/ivermectin-treat-covid-19-coronavirus-3535912/


https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/



https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/e...t-covid-19-outside-randomised-clinical-trials

 

Regarding ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, I wouldn't take anything from the mainstream media seriously as they are known liars.
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798

Here's some alternative info on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-improvement-melbourne-covid-patients.584669/
http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/ivermectin-has-good-results-in-zimbabwe.589339/

 

That Melbourne case was two people.

 

Yep! And you are free to play football on a busy Highway but that does not mean we have to feel sympathy when you get hurt