Pure National Socialism can vary from country to country and doesn't seem to concern itself with race or ethnic background. I assume you're talking about Germany's National Socialism of the 1930s and 1940s in which some of certain people were persecuted for their ethnic background, political activity and what we would call "terrorism", today. I think that the degree to which Germany attempted to build a pure "racial state" varied from individual to individual and became less important toward the end of the war(1), (2). For example, it was Goering who released about 2,000 Jewish husbands and fathers after the women's Rosenstrasse protest I mentioned earlier. Briefly put, I think that Germany's National Socialists of the 1930s and 1940 were no more concerned with building and maintaining a racial state than the US and Britain were in perpetuating their own, centuries old racial states. (1) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?" https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102 EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis. The Nazis never racially segregated their troops. Blacks, Slavs, Asians, and Arabs fought shoulder-to-shoulder with Germans. At least two million non-German foreigners and ethnic minorities served in Hitler’s armed forces at one point or another. Without foreign and non-German help, the Germans never would have had their Western defenses prepared in time for the Allied invasion. Let us think about two things here. Hitler’s Wehrmacht-Waffen SS combination was the most culturally, ethnically, and religiously diverse military force in Western history. In spite of this fact, we are all supposed to believe he was a hyper-racist (my own term) like some other Nazis."CONTINUED (2) "Jesse Owens" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Owens EXCERPT "However, in 2014, Eric Brown, British fighter pilot and test pilot, the Fleet Air Arm's most decorated living pilot,[37] independently stated in a BBC documentary: "I actually witnessed Hitler shaking hands with Jesse Owens and congratulating him on what he had achieved."[38] Additionally, an article in The Baltimore Sun in August 1936 reported that Hitler sent Owens a commemorative inscribed cabinet photograph of himself.[39 In Germany, Owens had been allowed to travel with and stay in the same hotels as whites, at a time when African Americans in many parts of the United States had to stay in segregated hotels that accommodated only blacks" CONTINUED
REF: About the Holocaust SUBTOPIC: Questions of Motived ⁜→ Bob Newhart, et al, BLUF: I don't know that I am intelligent enough to come up with an effective and workable plan. (COMMENT) My limited, unimaginative, and lackluster plan would be, to the extent possible, to just forget about the Arab Palestinians altogether. Treat them like America does the homeless veterans on the street. Make the Arab Palestinian politically irrelevant. Other than unacknowledge intelligence, military response, and police actions, simply don't acknowledge the existence of the Arab Palestinian. If the IDF makes a retaliatory strike or suppression action, just don't make a press release. If asked directly, answer → Who? → or → I am not familiar with them → NEXT ("Asked and answered" is always a good response.). Once the media discovers that the Arab Palestinians are now a non-entity (they are not even considered an unknown OPFOR), and they wasted their quest and follow-up questions, they will move on to something more meaningful. And I would get a handle on the Israeli components in Area "C". They must be brought under control and become a team player. Saturate the Area "C" components with police. IF the Israeli Area "C" components even raise a finger against "that which is not there," THEN they are apprehended [for intentionally interfering with atmospherics (I2A)] and thrown in the cooler (or conex) for a night or two. Once every month or two, Israel should foot the bill for the maintenance of a couple two or three Traveling Carnivals and Circus (TCC) free for the kids (17 and below and parental escort). It should be politically irrelevant. It would probably be a slow starter, but everything in the TCC is free for the kids. But it will catch on (I think). It would be an unconventional and very unusual approach, but it could pay for itself in the long run. It would be the exact opposite of incitement to violence. But outside the TCC (probably to and from) they again become invisible. Like I said, just my unimaginative thought, outside the box... Most Respectfully, R
So, you want to set up a socialist state in the U.S., Israel, England, or everywhere. Just burn freedom of speech in the last place it exists - the U.S. Get rid of what's left of it everywhere else. Right, set up a police state because that is one of the results of socialism after all. Run a lousy propaganda campaign to top off. Let's try a different tack. The next time Gaza attacks, invade the country without mercy. Slaughter every soldier. Take the country and incorporate it into Israel. Remove all barricades, walls, etc. Give everyone in the Gaza strip a pathway to citizenship. Modify the Israeli Constitution and Laws to provide equality under the law without regard to religion or ethnicity. Open up freedom of speech. Allow people to deny the holocaust or pee on a Quran. Protect those that do. Only punish the criminals and not their families. group tyranny <-------------------------------------------------------> individual liberty Move to the real right.
REF: About the Holocaust SUBTOPIC: Questions of Motived ⁜→ Grau, Bob Newhart, et al, BLUF: I think I'm confused. (QUESTION of CONTEXT) What is the real question here? Where are we going with this? (COMMENT) Our friend "Grau" (IMO) is correct in more ways than one. National Socialism, (again IMO) is an archaic concept and unattainable. And while there are stand-alone programs that have socialist characteristics, I cannot think of a single nation that is entirely (pure) socialist. Racial purity and ethnic purity are simply ridiculous concepts. Most Respectfully, R
REF: About the Holocaust ⁜→ Bob Newhart, et al, BLUF: We are not reading from the same page. (COMMENT) I said nothing of the sort. (COMMENT) No, not at all. I said that Israel needs to reign in the settlers from creating havoc with the local Arab Palestinian Population. And that requires the Border Police to effectively enforce the law for the entire population. It must be fair and just. (COMMENT) No! You have this wrong. And I heard a number of people getting confused on this issue. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) (AKA: part of the Rule of Law) states: Article 20 1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law. 2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law. There is good and bad propaganda. (COMMENT) I was looking at it may response from a realistic standpoint. I'm not quite sure where you are coming from. But your recipe would create a new and much more deadly civil war. I was giving my opinion on a way to begin to maintain the territorial peace and security, and to that end: to take effective and non-confrontational measures to begin that process. Most Respectfully, R
This is just second-hand info but a lot of it might turn out to be true. How Hitler Tackled Unemployment And Revived Germany’s Economy http://www.ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html edit ----------------------------------- https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=01377...3922j1062880j18...1.34.partner-generic..0.0.0.
REF: About the Holocaust ⁜→ Bob Newhart, et al, BLUF: There is no question that select German Concentration Camps of WWII had mass executions of people for all different kinds of reasons. Again, I see your argument as a matter of magnitude. (COMMENT) There will always be those that defend and apologize for Hitler and the chain of command in the executive and judicial offices (police, military, and paramilitary) for atrocities. To avoid arguing about or disapproving of something that can be found in the record from more than a half-century ago - is NOT "dodging" the question. It is not even important at this juncture in history. What is important is that there is a reemergence of hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious group and the people of Israel in the broader sense. This is, once again, the argument that the establishment of a Jewish National Home agreed upon by the Principal Allied Powers over a century ago was wrong. And now the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) of the 21st Century want to roll back the clock for a replay of the decisions and events. The argument about the magnitude of the holocaust is not really about the numbers, but about → the multilevel marketing attempting to discredit the Jewish People and the righteousness of the decision to establish the Jewish State as adopted seven decades ago. Let's not put lipstick on the pig and attempt to pass it off as a princess. The argument has always been about discrediting the Legitimacy of the Jewish State and the very important need to erect defendable borders. There are HoAP Islamic movements dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the creation of a Palestinian Islamic state. In so many words, we've seen variations of this same theme on a number of discussion groups. At some point in time, these anti-Israeli assaults become more than just frivolous. Most Respectfully, R
I couldn't give a list of countries having any pure form of any government. As you know, this thread is about the holocaust and as I understand the OP, its author was curious as to why there are so many more movies, books, newspaper articles etc about the holocaust than about the many greater human tragedies that have occurred since 1900. For example, almost every Westerner has heard of Hitler, Eichmann, Goering etc but I have yet to find anyone who has heard of Genrikh Yagota or Leonid Reichman(1) who were especially cruel sadists. Additionally, an ADL study found that only about 1/3 of the world's population actually believes the grossly exaggerated holocaust story of about 6 million Jews murdered, homicidal gas chambers etc(2) that has been relentlessly promulgated by the wealthy and influential Hollywood - Holocaust Industry to dupe gullible Westerners. So, what are your thoughts on what has come to be the standard holocaust story? Thanks, (1) "Stalin's Jews" "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish" https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED (2) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
Yes, communism was as much a big danger to Europe as Nazism. And the Nazis did indeed declare communism to be a manifestation of the supposed "Jewish world conspiracy". The Nazis had a distorted view of reality because of their ideology. They didn't recognize the true dangers of communism. They only fought it because they thought it was Jewish. The fact that many of the Communist political commissioners were of Jewish descent*, reinforced the erroneous beliefs of the Nazis (you already indicated that). *) this is similar nonsense as assuming that Jews are particularly greedy for money, because money lenders were one of the very few professions allowed to Jews to practice in Nazi-Germany.
Re: Why do you continue to make these false pronouncements but post absolutely nothing to back them up? Germany attacked Communist Russia because German intelligence found out that the Soviets were in offensive positions and prepared to sweep West and occupy all of Western Europe(1). The Germans were also aware of the real holocaust (aka Holodomor) in which Stalin's Jewish henchmen murdered about 10 million innocent people during the 1920s - 1930s Unlike the Holocaust in which no mass graves can be found, there are numerous noteworthy mass graves containing the remains of Communism's victims. You still can't show where there is anywhere near the number of mass graves claimed in holocaust mythology yet the mass graves of Communism's victims are obvious for all to see. Where are the mass graves containing "millions" of holocaust victims? The truth is that they don't exist because "millions" were not killed during the holocaust.(3) (1) "Soviet offensive plans controversy" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy EXCERPT "Stalin planned to attack Nazi Germany from the rear in July 1941, only a few weeks after the date on which the Axis invasion of the Soviet Union took place." CONTINUED (2) "Stalin's Jews" "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish" https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED (3) “Air Photo Evidence” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html The Bottom Line To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed.
Why is the fact that the Communists, whose early leadership was mostly Jewish,(1) wanted to invade and brutally occupy all of Western Europe an "erroneous belief"? The Communists seized and subjugated as much of Europe as they could fit behind the "Iron Curtain" and would have seized the rest of Europe if not for the US presence just as they invaded Czechoslovakia in the late 1960s. If that's not a policy of expansionism and attempt at eventual world domination, I don't know what is. As I mentioned earlier, the only reason Germany attacked Russia was because German intelligence discovered that Stalin already had plans to attack Germany in July of 1941. The fact that Communist troops were in offensive positions getting ready to move West was one of the primary reasons for the early German military successes. (1) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish” https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150 EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED
You lied. Basically, you're making stuff up as you go along. War is Peace. Lies are Truth. Tyranny is freedom. Etc.
There's some strong circumstantial evidence that there were no gas chambers at the camps. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-88#post-1 There's some strong physical evidence that there were no gas chambers at the camps. At the 5:45 time mark of this video... Auschwitz Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth HD https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWhyTheGasChambersAreAMythHD ...it's said that the gas chamber doors were opened fifteen or twenty minutes after they were first closed and then they started dragging out the dead bodies. According to this video that was an impossibility. Le Probleme des Chambres a Gaz with ENG SUB https://altcensored.com/watch?v=Ilx6-Qu7XaY It's explained again in this video. Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2 https://archive.org/details/youtube-Ne3nYJxU6SM Watch this video from the 39:00 time mark to the 42:35 time mark. One Third of the Holocaust - 3 of 5 https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...244077F34DC7445AEC83244077F34DC7&&FORM=VRDGAR I think the case is closed. There were no gassings. The full above video comes and goes. It might be here now. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=one+third+of+the+holocaust&FORM=HDRSC3
That is actually the definition of dodging. Once again, for you, War is Peace. Lies are Truth. Tyranny is freedom. Etc.
But, if Hitler didn’t murder the Jews, he couldn’t have been a socialist or wanted to create a racial-community. I guess he wasn’t a REAL National Socialist then or that National Socialism doesn’t promise to build a racial-state.
You're right. You never stated how you were going to get everyone Personally, The only way I can think of to force most everyone to agree to do this is destroy freedom of speech. But hey, if you've found another way of doing this, present! Sounds like a police state to me. No, there is only bad propaganda. No - quite the opposite. Group Tyranny <------------------------------------------> individual liberty Individual liberty is better than group tyranny.
Nonsense, you're being irrational and evading substantive discussion with your silly word games. I provided the Wikipedia definition of Socialism which was: SOCIALISM: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." Apparently, simple Socialism has nothing to do with achieving racial purity. The Urban dictionary defines National Socialism as: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=National Socialism "National Socialism" "National Socialism, National-Socialism or German: Nationalsozialismus is a philosophy or world view. National Socialism is based on nature. The belief that Man is a part of the natural world and that he is in no way separate from it. The belief that society should be structured in accordance with the laws of Nature." I'm not doing any more research for you and unless you can show where I've been "...making stuff as I go along", you're the one who is lying.
In the first line of my last post (#2220) I posted the wrong link. I meant to post this link. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-88#post-1072758448
Because communism has nothing to do with Judaism. We see a spurious correlation here. If Communism would be Jewish then Israel would be a Communist country, but it obviously isn't. You're wrong. That wasn't the reason. Hitler wanted to expand his territory towards the east. He already announced that in "Mein Kampf". Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
That's a pretty incomplete definition. National Socialist laws of nature encompass an eternal struggle for survival of the races. And the Nazis declared the Jew as the main enemy of the Aryan race. So the Holocaust was inevitable.
What do you think of this info? It has pretty much convinced me that there were no gassings in the camps. Circumstantial evidence: http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-88#post-1072758448 Physical evidence: At the 5:45 time mark of this video... Auschwitz Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth HD https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWhyTheGasChambersAreAMythHD ...it's said that the gas chamber doors were opened fifteen or twenty minutes after they were first closed and then they started dragging out the dead bodies. According to this video that was an impossibility. Le Probleme des Chambres a Gaz with ENG SUB https://altcensored.com/watch?v=Ilx6-Qu7XaY It's explained again in this video. Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2 https://archive.org/details/youtube-Ne3nYJxU6SM Watch this video from the 39:00 time mark to the 42:35 time mark. One Third of the Holocaust - 3 of 5 https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...244077F34DC7445AEC83244077F34DC7&&FORM=VRDGAR
