Re: That wasn't what I stated. I know that Communism and Judaism are unrelated and you're evading my question as usual so I'll rephrase it into 2 simple questions. 1. Did the Communists seek to expand beyond the borders of Russia? The answer is an obvious yes. 2. Was the leadership of the early Communist Party primarily Jewish in make up? Again, the answer is an obvious yes. Therefore, Germany was justified in fearing an invasion by the Jewish run Communist forces even though Stalin began to purge the Communist government of Jews in the 1930s. It is an undeniable fact that Stalin had plans to attack to attack Germany around July of 1941 and continue seizing as many European countries as he could in the process. Yes, it is true that Hitler dreamed of seizing Lebensraum to the East to resettle/transfer Germany's Jews which is further proof that at no point did the Nazis plan on exterminating Jews under German occupation. This dream was to occur after the war and under the assumption that Germany would win the war. Germany's preemptive attack on Russia was based on German intelligence detecting Stalin's plan to attack Germany around July of 1941. As usual the anti German, Zionist dominated Wikipedia(2), (3), (4) claims that Stalin was taken by surprise and cannot account for the fact that the Communist forces were in offensive, not defensive positions when the Germans initiated their preemptive attack. As I've repeatedly shown, Wikipedia is unreliable when it comes to WW 2 and the holocaust because of its anti German bias. (1) "1941: SOVIET MOBILIZATION FOR A FIRST STRIKE" https://scholarworks.calstate.edu/downloads/8g84mm91w EXCERPT "I will argue that Stalin planned to strike Germany first. Evidence for this claim will base itself in the military doctrine of the Red Army, which has always been based on offensive strategies. The documentation of Soviet war plans point towards this direction. However, in order for the Soviet offensive to be successful, certain force levels would have to be attained. In the end, the Germans attacked first, while Soviet troops were in the preparatory stages of mobilization" CONTINUED (2) “Zionist Control of WikiPedia” http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites. This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED (3) "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY (4) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz" https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia. The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED
I know that it's an unsatisfactory definition. I was simply not interested in playing evasive and silly word games then or now. Re: The holocaust as portrayed by the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry is an unproven and grossly inflated fraud. EXCERPT “Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps.” CONTINUED(*) (*) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder” https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder
Rather than the warning people to "Please read with caution.", why not advise individuals to "read with an open mind" and / or to "think for yourself"? Don't you ever wonder why there are no holocaust related mass graves anywhere near where 800,000 people were supposedly murdered, buried, dug up and crudely burned using millions of trees as fuel?(1), (2) Don't you ever wonder who cut the millions of trees that would have been needed to even partially burn about 800,000 bodies? Why do you blindly believe a for - profit Hollywood - Holocaust Industry whose foundation is based on lies about human skin pocketbooks, human far soap, Human skin lampshades, shrunken heads and is so dishonest it has been caught falsifying claims and cheating holocaust survivors? (3), (4)? If there's anything that someone should "Please read with caution." it is the glut of Hollywood - Holocaust Industry "eyewitness testimony" that is passed off as "fact"(5). (1) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust” https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363 EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves."CONTINUED (2) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves" https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED (3) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (4)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED (5) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war. No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out. Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED
Hi, Scott; have you seen this? "We now also know that the postwar “confession” of Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss, which is a crucial part of the holocaust extermination story, is a false statement that was obtained by torture." Plus much more here... http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-jewish-holocaust-lie-contempt-for-humanity/
Thanks Jazz. I added that link to my big list. http://flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
A few days ago I came upon a loaded link... Klaus Schwab's “Great Reset”: The diabolical master plan for the world tyranny of globalists over humanity https://michael-mannheimer.net/2021...great-reset-der-masterplan-der-welt-tyrannen/
I, too, bow my head for this brave soldier... Official funeral of a former SS in Kiev Orest Vaskoul voluntarily enlisted in the SS (Galicia Division) in 1943 and fought, by choice, as a Ukrainian Nazi for the Third Reich against the Soviet Union. Read more here: https://www.voltairenet.org/article213597.html -------- Had he been in Germany, he would have been incarcerated for sure!!
Thanks. Here's the latest info that I've found on the subject. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...rlds-population.587240/page-2#post-1072765090
The holocaust happened in Europe not the Middle East. 5he fact a discussion on it is put in the Middle East section makes no sense oth3rvthan to reflect someone's bias concept that the moment you say anything about persecution of Jews it has to automatically be linked to a question as to why Israel exists. That mindset means that Israel can't be discussed separate from the holocaust. Bull crap it can't. This entire thread belongs under Europe. It deals with European history. While I am at it the attempts by Newhart to mistate what Rocco actually stated and project his own inferences from what Rocvo said as being synonymous with what Rocco actually s is clumsy, misleading, false, dishonest and annoying in its tone of know itcall presumptions. It also tries to redefine political ideologies into rigid narrow definitions with no variations and assume others engage in the same rigid constructs as Newhart. Discussions about Hitler and National Socialism and socialism in German history have nothing to do with ME politics.
The fact you pose the question as you do supposes the person yiu ask it to shares your definition of what a socialist is. 5hwt is a narcissistic presumption. Before you ask such a x question present your definition of 8t and then ask the person if they agree with your definition. Thank you.
You present subjective opinionsxwith no basis of evidence. Your claim governmentscteach people to focus on Jews reflects your own biases that a discussion about the holocaust should not happen because you think it selects Jews out for favorable treatment. Your biases against Jews, teaching the holocaust is highly evident and it is meaningless. History will be taught including the holocaust regardless of your bias against Jews posedcas questions c about who Hitler was.
Your comment is illogical and again reflects your bias against Jews. People can be complicit in murder and not be defined within your rigid constructs of what you think socialism means. Again you confuse your subjective opinions as being synonmous with what socialism or other ideologies MUST mean. As for what Hitler did call him any label you want. His conduct, his beliefs, his actions, the people who followed him, called themselves National Socialist. Its a name. Its just a name. Its ideology is proven by the actions of its people. Its found in what he wrote in Mein Kempf and in the policies enunciated by people in his name and in the well documented presentations of Josef Goebels the creator of the very political propaganda communications systems ALL governments today use. What difference is it what word you call him other than deflect from what he did? Call him whatever you want it doesn't change what he did. Most of us know who Hitler was and what he did. The most common way to describe him and politicians like him is that they are totalitarian, chauvenistic, narcissistic and facist, i.e., they believe the state should be used as an organ to impose behaviour and uniform thought. Some people call it facism. Some people call it Stalinism. Some people use it to describe Erdogan of Turkey, Kim of Korea, former US President Donald Trump, Gustav Pinochet of Chile, Fransisco Franco of Szpain, Benito Mussolini of Italy, Mao Tse Tung of China. The bottom line such politicians do not permit opposition and they have no problem creating scapegoats to blame things on to rally the people and unify them. Such leaders use common focuses on who to hate to stir people into a frenzy to manipulate their emotions to do their bidding. They also have a tendency to have bad hair cuts.
It is totally irrelevant to what he stated and to who and what Hitler did or what Rocco said about the Gaza. You attempt to deflect and play semantics as to what to call Hitler.
The only thing absurd was your attempt to suggest describing the attack on Capital Hill was not a seige. The definition of a seige is the act or process of surrounding and attacking a fortified place in such a way as to compel the surrender of the defenders. That you can find in any dictionary. To try deny this makes your response absurd nothing else.
Nothing you said has to do with the points either Grau or Rocco made. You deflected from their positions and points. Grau will be the first to tell you I debate him all the time. I do not defend him but fair is fair. Can you please respond to the points made or start another subject thread.
Twitter, Facebook and Google are not the only Jewish owned sites. They also have their own Wiki, called "Quora". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_D'Angelo Here is a very comprehensive, with photos, detailed site that lists and explains Jewish internet services, including E-Bay: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_internet84.htm Did you know that the Encyclopedia Britannica is owned by a Jewish billionaire? Read here: https://igoralexander.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/encyclopedia-britannica-owned-by-jewish-billionaire/
Because I know that HC deniers always want to deceive people. So one must keep extreme caution when visiting such sites. Every story told there must be checked against serious sources. If you miss that, you'll end up in Holocaust denier hell. Nazis didn't see Jews as humans who deserve a funeral. So they just dumped their burnt remains in nearby rivers. But some corpses were indeed buried near the extermination camps, which can still be proven today. You might believe this, but you're wrong. The true foundation of the Holocaust is Hitler's will to wipe all Jews off the planet. Men, women, children, and babies alike. Nazis were motherf***ing psychopaths, crazy people, the pure evil!
Hollywood is one thing, Holocaust research is another thing. HC research might influence Hollywood but not vice versa.
Hey pitbull... You never responded to this. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-90#post-1072764021
Sorry, bro. You wrote: Why this was impossible? The gas chambers had powerful fans for quick ventilation. They were switched on immediately after each gassing. So the Jewish Sonderkommando guys could drag out the corpses without much danger for their own lives.
According to the analysts that wasn't enough. I'd also like to hear your view on the circumstantial evidence I listed. Why didn't Eisenhower mention the gas chambers in his memoirs?
You're not the first person to wonder why this thread is in the Mid-East section but at 90 pages, it's a little late to move it and doing so would be just another chore for the moderators. There is a tenuous, "sort of" connection of the holocaust to the Mid-East in the cooperation that existed between Germany's National Socialists, the Stern Gang and the German Zionist Federation whose main goal was to get as many Jews into Palestine as possible. This same cooperative venture ensured that there were about 40 training camps in pre WW 2 Germany to prepare Jews for their future life in Palestine.(1) According to Christopher Simpson's book, "Blowback", the SS helped train members of Haganah and provided them with weaponry to use against the Arabs and the British. In addition to the Haavara Agreement which functioned smoothly until the outbreak of WW 2 made it too dangerous for Germany to ship anybody anywhere, there was the Ankara Document which was discovered after the war and stated a Zionist (Stern Gang) willingness to: "actively take part in the war on Germany’s side."(2) Perhaps the most comprehensive Middle East - Holocaust link has been the issue of post war reparations from Germany to Israel. Briefly put, it was the Germans who "...made the desert bloom" while Zionist terrorist gangs were murdering Palestine's native residents, destroying their homes and stealing their land. (So much for the lessons of the holocaust) It was the Germans who gave Israel 60 ships and build virtually all of Israel's early infrastructure(3). Please allow me to be clear. If I were looking for a discussion about the Holocaust, I would not first look under "Middle East". I simply wanted to show the degree to which Germany's National Socialists cooperated with the German Zionist Federation to get as many Jews transferred to Palestine as well as show that the Stern gang was willing to join about 150,000 other Jews in fighting for Germany. Thanks, (1) "The Zionist-Nazi Collaboration" http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/07/the-zionist-nazi-collaboration/ EXCERPT " Zionists found common cause with Hitler, Eichmann, and the Nazis and used anti-Semitism and Nazism as a means of achieving their end which was the establishment of a Jewish state. The two reactionary movements shared the view that German Jews were living in that country as a ‘foreign race’ and that the racial divide was essential to maintain. The Zionists’ use of Nazism involved, among other things, the blocking of avenues of escape to other countries of Europe’s Jews and diverting them to Palestine, even as the death trains began to roll in Europe. The rise of Nazism and Hitler to power was never, or almost never, opposed by the Zionists prior to the establishment of Israel."CONTINUED (2) "The Hidden History of Zionism" https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/hidden/ch06.htm EXCERPT/QUOTE: "The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries ... The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that: 1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a New Order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO. 2. Cooperation between the new Germany and renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and 3. The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East. Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition that the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side. [95]CONTINUED (3) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship” http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/ EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry. In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED (4) “Hitler’s Jewish Army” http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/ EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval. In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross. Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos). So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism? “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
