Is the Right aware of how illegal immigrants benefit this country?

Here is the link. I'll wait for your source

https://www.adl.org/news/press-rele...supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

BTW, why "shouldn't" they be here? A much better argument could be made that white supremacists shouldn't be here.

 

I would imagine it's because they hop across the boarder, work for a short time making more than they would in their own country, and then go back where it's cheaper to spend it. Whereas if you're coming from China, to New York, you better make the most you can or you won't be able to afford even a loaf of bread. Obviously, there are many more first generation Mexican immigrants than any other generation. And many other unique considerations. But that would be too simple and too obvious. So you seem to have made up this complex conspiracy theory in which Democrats poll foreigners and single out Mexicans, given that other spanish-speaking immigrants are farther up in the list.

The reason Hispanics tend to vote for Democrats is also very simple: intolerance and racism is much closer aligned with the Republican Party.

But don't confuse "simple" with "simplistic". The fact is that many factors play in. There is no particular Democratic support for low skilled Mexican immigrants. There is simply more Democratic support for... people. Period! And Mexican immigrants are people.. But you can see that there is a much tendency of the Democrats to support people, especially people oppressed by Republicans, in just about any demographic group you can think of: gays, women, blacks, millennials, Muslims, bisexual small people with a wart on their left ass-cheek....

So your "conspiracy theory" is cute... but you're going to need to take quite a bit of time off to make up similar ones for every group that is not white Christian Males over 60.

Sure! My opinion would be this: Good for you guys! See? By stopping your discrimination against a group of Americans and your continual disparaging of their culture and their language, you managed to obtain 70% of their vote. Power to you!

Now.... how about doing the same with the rest of Americans? Why not start pursuing a similar agenda that stops discriminating against women, gays, blacks,... the middle class!! You might lose the support of the 70% of the donor class that you have now... .but wouldn't it be better for your party? ... And your country????

Look... I'm not a partisan ideologue. If Republicans were to ever obtain the support of the groups that really matter. And not just the support of White Christian Males over 60 PLUS the donor class, that would mean they will have changed their ways. And they would very likely gain even MY support. Democrats would have to top that! And this Country would be a much better place!

 

ADL’s Center on Extremism has been tracking data on domestic extremist-related murder in the U.S. since 1970. The 2017 assessment found:

"The 18 white supremacist murders"

18.................

You said

"FBI Statistic:an average of 4,380 people per year are murdered by illegal aliens in the US yearly. "
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/...jY2MzFfMQRzZWMDc2M-?qid=20090111193106AAsL1U9

Care to withdraw your statement now?

 

Oh my God! Your source is a Q and A on a Yahoo user board ????

You're kidding me!!!!

Wow! For a second there I thought I was supposed to take you seriously.

 

You got something that says they committed less than 18.

"In response to an email asking about the stat, Vincent Picard, a deputy assistant director at the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s public affairs office, pointed PolitiFact to the agency’s "enforcement and removal operations" report for fiscal year 2018. In a tabulation of the criminal charges and convictions of the people ICE arrested for being in the country illegally that year, the agency lists 2,028 "total offenses in the homicide column," a number that includes 387 charges and 1,641 convictions."
https://www.politifact.com/facebook...-did-not-arrest-2000-undocumented-immigrants/

Those are the only two mentions I can find.

Then this
"According to Fox News (2015): “Statistics show the estimated 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. account for 13.6 percent of all offenders sentenced for crimes committed in the U.S. Twelve percent of murder sentences, 20 percent of kidnapping sentences and 16 percent of drug trafficking sentences are meted out to illegal immigrants.”"
http://oxfordre.com/criminology/vie...90264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

And
"That report noted the number of criminal illegal immigrants in federal prisons in 2010 was about 55,000; the number incarcerated in state prison systems and local jails was approximately 296,000 for the year 2009.

Based on the GAO’s sample of criminal immigrants, it’s estimated that the study population of these 249,000 criminals had actually been previously arrested around 1.7 million times, averaging about seven arrests per person. That translated into a half-million drug related offenses, 70,000 sexual offenses, 213,000 assaults, 125,000 arrests for larceny/theft and 25,000 homicides."
https://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/illegal-immigrant-crime-by-the-numbers/
I doubt there are 25,000 people in prison for a white supremacy murder.

 

Sorry, but the benefits they receive outweigh the benefits they pay for. That's the issue. We all need to pay our way. They need to be paid like everyone else and assimilate. They need to file their own taxes. There is no reason to have dual citizenship.

It isn't them that pay. It's businesses. That's how they get away with the government allowing them to continue coming here illegally. Isn't it sad the our government cares more about money than it's citizens? This is a third world country.

 

How did it go from 4 thousand... something to 18?

 

From your link

ADL’s Center on Extremism has been tracking data on domestic extremist-related murder in the U.S. since 1970. The 2017 assessment found:

"The 18 white supremacist murders"

18.................

Not illegal alien murders which you say are less. You got something to back up that illegal aliens only commit less than 18 murders a year?

 

Other people are people, too!

Ya know, if we stopped illegal immigration, we would be able to absorb larger numbers of legal immigrants. We could then afford to be more sympathetic toward peoples who have it much worse than our southern neighbors.

Are these people, people?:

https://www.therichest.com/rich-list/world/poorest-countries-in-the-world/

 

They shouldn't be here because they are here illegally. It's a simple concept. What is your difficulty in understanding that?

I hope that this helps:

Illegal: "Contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/illegal

On your other point: how about if we make a deal?

We could banish all of the actual white-supremacists, actual KKKers, and actual Nazis to some desert island, in exchange for deporting all illegal aliens to their home countries.

 

Who has it much worse than those being persecuted by drug cartels and criminal maras that have sworn to kill your whole family (and have already killed several of them, just to show they are serious) if you don't pay a certain amount of money every month that you don't have, or if you refuse to be part of their illegal activities.

Look. I'm not talking about simply being "poor". Being poor is sometimes the least of the problems to many of these refugees.

And, BTW, we have the capability of taking an immensely number of "peoples" more than we currently do, and benefit from it. Immigration is a non-problem at the levels we are at right now. I'm not saying that we should be a free-for-all. Because it might become a problem. But we are nowhere near that point.

 

This is why the democrats are now on board with the Koch brothers. $$$

 

If that were true, that would only prove that we should change the law. Not that they "shouldn't be here". But it's not true. It's a mistake based on the misnomer "illegal aliens". What is true is that some should be here, and some shouldn't. Some of them entered illegally, some of them didn't. Some of them broke the law, some of them didn't. A "blanket statement" is not applicable. Not from the point of view of the law... not from the point of view of morals....

In exchange? Why do you need to "exchange" banishing racists? Especially exchange such a desirable thing for something that harms productive Americans and our country.

 

You know you are really deep in the Trump Cult when you need to include the Koch brothers in your "liberal conspiracy" to justify Trumpian dogma.

 

They are zero benefit to America. Zero

Next youre gonna tells us pedophiles are super awesome cause they pay taxes.

 

Oh? You mean like the content of your post?

Don't let the facts bother you. Anybody who tells you $5 Trillion dollars over 10 years is not the same as zero probably suffers from TDS, right?

Speaking of which... how's your boy Roy Moore doing? Much as you tried you couldn't get him to the Senate, could you? Don't despair.... Trump will need somebody to take care of his wife and daughter while he's in jail. There is still hope he could land that gig.

 

Fact, democrats are on board with the Koch immigration policy.

 

You seem to assume that being against illegal immigration means not being aware of the benefits of illegal immigration.

At the end of the day, the question is - do all of these benefits justify illegal immigration? And the answer is NO.

 

like change Trump's orange stained sheets every day?

 

No, it's a result of pure bigotry against people not of Northern European ancestry, people from "shithole" countries (like Spain). They wouldn't care if they were all Doctors and engineers. People "obviously inferior" to people from the UK, Germany and France, like Selena Gomez and Salma Hayek, Antonio Banderas and Anthony Quinn, dregs of the Earth every one

 

Let me think -- So millions of people are in the country illegally. They stay in the shadows, don't apply for a drivers license but drive, work jobs and get paid daily in cash, are afraid of being rounded up and deported so they stay "out of sight". Our laws say they should be deported but our liberal government can tell us exactly how many are here and exactly how much they pay in taxes and social security. That's hard for me to believe.

 

If I wrote what I assume.... i.e., why I believe it is most of the people who are against illegal immigration hold that position, I would probably get myself banned from this forum.

 

I admire the willingness to admit that the pain and suffering of others is an acceptable price for financial benefits.

 

Of course! The conspiracy theory! The IRS conspired with Social Security and... Hillary Clinton .... to make us believe that they pay taxes and Social Security because ... well... conspiracy theories never go that far that they would even attempt to make sense.

 

Whether @Golem is saying that, I'm not sure. I want to be fair to them and allow them to confirm.