Still contagious

False

"Science" created covid.

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It does not prevent hospitalizations. According to the CDC there are 35,000 symptomatic cases a week among the vaccinated. Some end up in the hospital.

 

So protected really meant not protected huh?

 

Uh, it saves your life and thousands of dollars by avoiding serious illness...

This is how all vaccines work. They don't eradicate the virus. They don't give you super human powers that let's your immune system reach out and destroy the virus in mid-air before it gets to you. They keep the virus from causing serious illness.

What you've uncovered is how uninformed the average American is about how vaccines, their immune systems, and viruses work. Which is a good thing, because now that we know what the problem is, we can address it.

 

So I guess now they are no longer saying to ''get the jab'' to slow the spread since it seems beyond useless at that important aspect?

 

No one is saying that but you. Get the vaccine to stop it from being a serious illness. So far, and the number continues to fall, only 0.8% of vaccinated people who got COVID died from it. That's less than the people who die each year from the flu. So 99.2% non death rate is really really really good, in case you needed someone to tell you that.

 

Show me what was ''uninformed'' about my OP. Were any of my questions irrational, illogical or unreasonable?
Two sides to a spectrum here, total 'anti vaxxers' and total 'believe all science, ask no questions' types.

Most of us exist somewhere in the middle. Ethical health care professionals realize folks will have questions. The extremist will label any who dare ask questions as 'anti vaxxers', 'science deniers'...etc

Not sure which extremist side of the spectrum does more damage. I have learned that when you simply insult people, communication shuts down.

 

No one is saying the vaccine helps slow the spread? Surely you jest....

And only what, one percent or less of unvaccinated die from it?

Again.....'no one saying that but me' huh? See my previous post to you. Particularly the last sentence.


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May 25, 2021 — Preliminary evidence seems to suggest the COVID-19 vaccines make it less likely someone who's vaccinated will transmit the coronavirus, but the ...

 

Simple. You said the vaccine does nothing. It doesn't do nothing as is easily seen in real life. Vaccines don't stop the spread of the virus. They simply limit serious illness from it. That's also how your immune system works. Viruses still spread, even ones we claim to have eradicated. Ever wonder why small pox had outbreaks? It isn't that the virus is completely wiped form the planet. Who ever said that was also misinformed. It's simply for the first time in a while, enough people didn't get the vaccine, because they were stupid, and the virus was able to cause illness.

That's how vaccines works, so again, the fact that the COVID virus will still spread isn't the point of the vaccine. The point is to greatly limit the effects of the virus. That the vaccine is incredibly effective at.

Well, there's a fundamental problem with your "two sides" analogy. Science is a process. That process is about constant validation and constant attempts to invalidate. In other words, science is constantly evaluated aka those questions are not only asked, they are asked by top people in the field who are ENCOURAGED to ask as disproving or amending science is a great accomplishment.

Anti-vaxers are the ones who prefer to be unquestioned. In fact, that's the commonality of all who oppose science. They want an unquestioned view of the world based on what they think.

Now, to get at what you mean, sure ask questions. There is nothing wrong with that. Where I take issue is when the answer all point to, get the vaccine, and someone still doesn't, it makes me suspect they are truly in the anti-vaxxer camp. There is no data that supports the conclusion that this vaccine is ineffective or dangerous. Therefore, choosing not to get it is based on...what exactly?

 

Right, notice the careful wording in all of this? PRELIMINARY. And again, NO ONE means it kills the virus in the air before it reaches another person. That's impossible. What they were hoping and seeing initial data was by the time the virus infected someone and spread, the vaccine would have prevented the illness and the virus would have been eradicated by the immune system prior to spreading. Why that DIDN'T pan out is because the virus, and the delta variant in particular, is MORE contagious than previously known. That's the new data that changes the game.

All you did was make my point. Science had data initially that led to one conclusion. Then they found data that contradicted it and they changed their minds. Are you OK with that? Or are you the type that prefers an unwavering, definitive answer in the face of changing facts? If so, then you don't agree with science.

 

it reduces your symptoms. which means your body has an easier time fighting it. and also, if your symptoms were already going to be minor, maybe you don't even notice you have it... and then go out in public to spread it more while you're asymptomatically contagious.

 

Stop missrepresenting what I said, I said this ------- > " if it does ESSENTIALLY nothing " that word ''essentially '' is important to my context.

I would prefer they get their sht together before asking me to roll up my sleeve and be a human experiment. You have a problem with that?

I agree science is in it's early stages on this and it evolves. I am not in a high risk group so I will wait until such time as they know more.

 

I don't think you know what that word means. It means: used to emphasize the basic, fundamental, or intrinsic nature of a person, thing, or situation. So when you say something essentially does nothing, you're saying it does nothing. What you should have said is, it doesn't reduce the transmissibility of COVID as many scientists hoped. That is an accurate statement of what's going on.

How much more together do you need? This is already one of the safest vaccines ever made. Vaccines are already safe. Let me ask you this, do you have the same rigor for everything you put in your body? Show me the clinical trials on broccoli, please. We have data that shows cured meats kill you faster. Do you wish salami would get it's **** together?

The vaccine does it's job. They were hoping it was a rock star vaccine. Turns out, the virus is very transmissible. The real failure here, if any, is the human immune system for not being able to respond faster than the virus can be spread. That's all.

People in low risk groups die from covid at a greater rate than vaccinated people in any risk group. That's a simple fact. Your choice is not the least risk averse. It's more risky, just so you know.

 

See? Now here's a reasonable answer, free from condescending insults. The sort of info likely to be well received. Why the ''greatest minds among us'' can't learn how to talk to people, is mind boggling.

Instead, lets insult and belittle people, "impress'' them with our "superior intelligence"....that'll win them over...

You bring up an excellent point, more to consider to get the vaccine. I'd certainly hate to think I spread it unwittingly. Even though you can be contagious if vaccinated, it stands to reason if the duration is reduced, so is your ability to 'share the love'.

 

Protected from the harms of the virus. Isn't that the goal?

 

Woah, who was insulting you here?

Let's be clear. Insult doesn't equal pointing out the fallacies in your logic or misuse or ignorance of facts. I've had that happen to me MANY times not just on this forum but in LIFE. It's not an insult.

 

I thought herd immunity was the goal. Guess they are moving the goal posts now....

 

In this thread alone, I've been accused of being unable to read.

 

I'm interested in seeing the data on this, I googled the enlarged statement and a cursory search revealed nothing definitive.

 

as I understand it- not necessarily. I havn't seen any information claiming the vaccine will make your body fight it quicker. Just that there is less damage done to you while your immune system battles the virus. It could be because you battle it quicker which would make you contagious for a shorter duration, or it could be because the battle is drawn out, so to speak, giving you time to heal while it goes on, which would mean you're actually contagious for longer. Such information is sadly lacking because we're supposed to just take it and not worry about how it actually works...

 

Vaccines helps to get there.

 

Hi FatBack,

I was fully vaccinated last February. (Moderna)

Last Sunday I became quite sick with fever and chills and sinus congestion. Monday morning I tested positive for Covid. Unfortunately, the test result didn't identify if it was the Delta variant or not, but I believe it was.

I'm 66 and in generally good health. But I'm not superman. I have gotten sick with flu before and pneumonia twice. The last time I had pneumonia was in 2019. I'm telling you that to make this next point.

I treated the fever with Tylenol twice. By Monday my fever was gone. I felt tired out and slept a lot on Monday. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, all I did was get better and better. My energy came back, the achiness in my sinuses went away, and they drained out. Yesterday, Friday, I couldn't tell that I had been sick.

Bottom line: I am a fully vaccinated 66 year old man who is merely mortal, not superman. I caught coronavirus and was actively sick for 2 days.

2 days!

I plan on going back to my part time job on Tuesday, the end of the required quarantine time.

My wife is also fully vaccinated. I don't know if I passed it to her or not. Yesterday she felt really tired, went to bed early and slept until 11 a.m. this morning. But today she's fine, the usual busy whirling durbish, and no symptoms.

So ... My case is consistent with everything I read about the virus and the vaccines. It didn't stop me from getting sick. But on the other hand, I beat the virus in about 2 days. I didn't need any medical care. I took a couple doses of Tylenol and a couple sprays of Afrin to clear my sinuses. That's it. I can't help but believe that the vaccine helped me fight this quickly and kept it from doing any real harm.

I talked about it here in more detail if you're interested. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/smarties-bar-grill-75.586042/page-85

 

I did read it. No way to know for certain but it sounds accurate

 

Apparently not.

 

The data shows we are getting there. With the help of those unvaccinated getting infected we'll get there faster.