Still contagious

He knows those things because Kamala Harris told him it's so.

 

Anthony Fauci and Ms. Walensky are both trained professionals, but especially modern history is chock full of examples of mendacious trained professionals. Many trained professionals lost their ability to tell right from wrong during their training.

Lousy point MJ.

 

What are you calling "lousy", Eleuthera?

 

The general theme that we should consider the high number of breakthrough cases to be a perfectly normal result of inoculations.

Perhaps I misunderstood your message, but in the old days a vaccine actually conferred immunity. These are not vaccines and they do not confer immunity. In the meantime, they are dangerous to all and fatal to many, and more importantly, they have been brought under fraud and deception.

Nothing at all against the posters you mentioned, but using the "trained professionals" moniker to validate any particular idea is not always valid these days. I'm not happy about that, but it's true. For the last 18 months, "trained professionals" have led us down the wrong path.

The shots are very much biological weapons, and efforts to promote them cannot be honest. Natural immunity acquired from infection and recovery is far superior to any vaccine. While sick with measles in the late 50's, my physician father explained that to me.

 

So having a vaccine is no different than having the virus? And it isn't at all about protecting others.

 

Thanks for expounding on this. I think you may have missed something in my post, Eleuthera.

My question to that poster was about his statement that one (the poster he responded to) had no right to speak about the transmission of the virus from/to vaccinated people because he (the poster he was speaking to) was not a virologist or immunologist.

My post/question was to get a better understanding from him on why a person would need to be either in order to comment on what has already been broken down by our medical/scientists members here and all over the internet. That would be like saying one can't speak about rain because they aren't a meteorologist.

 

huh? the vaccine doesn't give you the virus, it's not that kinda vaccine

 

For the last 18 months trained professionals have led us in many directions.

 

Re-read the exchange. The other poster was making silly absolute remarks (Its common knowledge that the vaccinated carry the virus aka are infected. Its just that they dont get sick, ALL vaccinated people can harbor and spread covid, A fully vaccinated person can harbor and spread the virus as effectively as anyone else.)

1. I don't believe it's been shown that a vaccinated person is as likely to spread covid as an unvaccinated person
2. The vaccinated DO get sick
3. I certainly hope that some % of vaccinated people actually CANNOT spread covid - if they can I see VERY little reason for an otherwise healthy person to get the vaccine (I digress).

The post that YOU are responding to is mostly my frustration with someone with no real knowledge, no training, no expertise, no reason at all to be opining as any kind of authoritative voice. I'd bet this poster doesn't even have a rudimentary understanding of statistics. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you have to be a meteorologist to point out it's raining. But, if you are going to state that hurricane Katrina was caused by melting glaciers then ffs you better not couch the comment as fact OR you better have some real understanding of the subject matter.

 

I will go back and reread the full conversation between you two.

I am not Team Fauci at all and a huge part of that is his constantly changing his position. They say that it's because they are learning new things all the time and the recommendations change. However, I (along with a few people I know) am just sick and tired of his BS. NOBODY gets to lie to me twice.

The point being, and I'm not speaking for @Pro_Line_FL, we have all been inundated with all kinds of information from the "experts" and some of it has been outright contradictory. My personal opinion is that he makes every effort to back up what he says and is sincere in his messages. That doesn't mean he's infallible or has always stayed on top of the "latest" information about the virus and the vaccines. He may have. I won't know until I have time to backtrack it.

I have not seen anything that addresses this specifically. I do know it's been said that ASYMPTOMATIC people, vaccinated or unvaccinated, can spread the virus to others.

Yes, they can and do get sick.

Less than 1% of fully vaccinated people experience a breakthrough Covid-19 infection, analysis finds

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-08-02-21

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While numbers of breakthrough infections may look high, they're really not, Fauci says

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-08-02-21

This is the crux of the anti-vax position. If we can still catch it, spread it, get bad off enough to be hospitalized and die from it...what's the point? I don't profess to know all the answers to these questions and am vaccine-hesitant myself because I can't answer those questions.

I understand frustration. I'm human too. I am not opposed to you holding a different viewpoint from him (or me or anyone else). I'm just not sure that the mudslinging part was absolutely necessary. Maybe there were some other (non-combative) ways to say "Hey, dude. Slow your roll there." However, I am not a moderator and I'm not trying to offend you. I really just wanted a better understanding of your reasoning behind your comments on that matter.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me on this.

 

Please do tell... What is the mortality rate for unvaccinated delta variant infected persons?

 

Its gotta be common knowledge now that EVEN YOU have been educated about it.

Maybe you have real knowledge, training and expertise, its impossible to know because all you have to offer is comments about how you think other posters know nothing. Is "you know nothing" a good argument in your book?

 

You should probably limit your remarks to platitudes like momma always said a virus is like a box of chocolates.

 

Wow, another post bursting with information and persuasive arguments. This is almost as good as the other posts where you offer your standard "you know nothing" argument.

Outstanding private. OUTSTANDING!!! I'll put in the paperwork to get you promoted to corporal.

 

I didn't say it did.

 

Most of the crowd has followed, to the jab in the arm. Mission Accomplished.