There is something I'm not understanding about the right wing Afghanistan narrative...

So you admit your earlier post was wrong, too, lol.

 

Quite an achievement by Biden to get 10 to 15 thousand Americans out... Plus 120 thousand Afghans. In just 2 weeks!!!! Well done, Joe!

You know... I started this thread expecting that somebody would give us something for which we should criticize Biden. But I have seen nothing but true leadership from the guy! Completely unexpected!

 

The Trump agreement with the Taliban!!! Are you now questioning that Trump signed it? Was it the Deep State too?

 

So cite it with a source.

 

Yes! International agreements are DIFFERENT from Executive orders. Executive orders, especially dumb ones, are expected to be overturned. International agreements... absolutely not! If we don't fulfill our part in an international agreement, we lose credibility in the world. And no agreement that we sign with other countries, no matter which President signed them, would be worth the paper they were printed on.

Dear God, how could you not know this before deciding to vote for Trump? Did other Trump supporters not know the consequences of voting for somebody who is completely ignorant about international policies?

I sure hope next time you consider your vote much much more carefully.

 

So you're one of those who lights the house on fire, then runs in to save a cat then tells everyone how you were the one who saved the cat? Yeah, thats quite the feat alright.
He evacuated the REST of the military bases. You mean the ONE that was left that he evacuated 30 days prior leaving everyone without air support.
You mean that one?

Waiting until Taliban occupation, to order an evacuation, doesn't make you a hero for evacuating under occupation.
Its makes you an F***ing idiot. And in its aftermath, left hundreds of Americans behind and 13 American warfighters dead

Hiding behind (He didn't lose a soldier to the Taliban) (for you) means we didn't lose 13 of our warfighters to the idiocy of evacuating while under occupation?

But evacuating under Taliban occupation when you had 8 months prior to evacuate without Taliban occupation isn't idiotic? You want to explain that geometry?

If you think you're packing the gear, fire away. I don't run from ANY question. No matter how dumb I think it is. Can you state the same? We'll find out.

You mean like listening to my intel showing me an advancing Taliban army of 75,000 headed to Kabul? Yeah, I can make a better decision.

If I got caught with my pants down like Biden did (which I wouldn't) I would tell the Taliban we are coming into Kabul to get our American civilians out and if one goat F***ing terrorist hinders my troops in any way I will burn down every single one we can find and then find you, and have your head on a stick in the courtyard by noon.

Then instead of going on vacation for 5 days, I would order my troops into Kabul and stand by the phone 24/7

And just like the German Special Forces did
And just like the British Special Forces did
And just like the Dutch Special Forces did
And just like the French Special Forces did

I would send in my troops and get every American out

If it were me, I would have listened to my intel, keep my airbase active, called in a carrier, send up AWACs to track Taliban positions, and start my evacuation at least 30 days prior to occupation. American citizens first, Embassy second, air base and troops last while backed up by Navel operations.

My Bagram airbase would be the point of extraction because we have a 12 mile parameter thats easy to defend, multiple runways, ILS control of airspace, and imbedded troops ready to defend.

But I'm a retired US Army Officer. What the F*** do I know,

 

So when Biden decided to not honor the International agreement with the Taliban to evacuate by May 1st, no agreement Biden or any other president signs is worth the paper their written on? Or does it only count for International agreements Trump signed? Being forced to evacuate 4 months after the agreement evacuation date, isn't abiding by the agreement.

 

You mean, when you started this thread, you intended to ignore the actual historical debacles the entire world and every US ally is criticizing the US over so you could create your own Biden bubble of perfection.
We know

 

Your argument, your research. Read my sig!

 

No. But Trump is.

You said Trump only evacuated three of them. So I guess that means the rest were evacuated by Biden.

No. I mean the rest! This is the point where you wish you had done the research I did before posting about the matter. Will you ever learn? I doubt it. Because you don't mind being proven wrong every single time. Myself, I do mind. I mean, I like being right once or twice a week. That's why I research. BTW, did you ever quote where I said (according to you) that my research was "complete and thorough" (or something like that)? No. Of course not! And you don't care having been proven wrong about that either. To me, that you don't care, is weird. To you it's just... Tuesday.

Anyway... your claim that we should have withdrawn by May 1st is debunked, and that was the whole point.

 

Hiding behind Trumps skirt isn't making your point. It just means you concede the point.

The only US military air base Biden evacuated was Bagram. Which he did in the middle of the night without even notifying the base commander. The Afghans didn't know the US had left tell several hours later.

So what Military air bases other than Bagram did your research show Biden evacuated?

 

He renegotiated it. Besides, it was a deadline absolutely impossible to meet. Given that Trump didn't move a finger to prepare. So the choice was either the Taliban accepted to move the deadline, or we just stay there waging war against them. It was in both parties' interests to move it.

Obviously international diplomacy is not your area. Understanding it requires to be too much in touch with reality. Definitely not for those who can only deal with binary thinking. So don't worry too much about it.

 

Oh. please. Fill us all in. What was the impossible factor that Biden couldn't overcome to evacuate in May, June, or July.

Prepare for what?
He evacuated 13,000 troops and didn't lose a single soldier
He evacuated 3 Military air bases and didn't lose a single soldier
He negotiated a cease fire that lasted 2 years without killing a single soldier
He got 1000 Afghan soldiers released without killing a single soldier

What was it that Boden did to prepare for, when he evacuated troops and the embassy under enemy occupation while leaving Americans behind in Kbaul?

 

My research is you. You said Trump evacuated three. From Trump's surrender agreement with the Taliban, we know that there were at least 6 (maybe 7, depending on how we interpret it). The rest is math.

Other than that, I don't think it's interesting or relevant enough to research further. What IS interesting is that, after all these posts, you were unable to come up with anything in the pull out that could be called a "debacle".

 

In exchange for releasing 5000 Taliban terrorists! What a deal!

 

So you are backing off your claim because you found out Biden only evacuated 1 US military air base instead of the rest of them like you tried to submit as your research had shown you. Glad you finally came around

Ordering the evacuation of our only air support base before evacuating our troops, embassy, and American citizens
Ignorant

Ordering our troops to not go in to Kabul to get our citizens out. Instead of telling the Americans trapped they have to get to the airport on their own
Cowardly.

Watching Germany, France, Britain, and the Dutch send in their special forces and evacuate over 500 of their people while our guys are handcuffed at the airport.
Humiliating

Sorry, couldn't find anything that could be calculated with something as low as a debacle

 

Yeah, its a deal
You prefer the continued killing of American soldiers for 2 years, keeping 13,000 soldiers in the war, no cease fire, and road side bombs killing civilians and kids
OR
The release of 5000 Taliban fighters that made no difference in the Taliban army of 75,000.
Without a single American soldier killed

You get to choose. Which do you prefer.

 

No. I'm just not interested.

Oh... I remember when the Republican Party waved the flag of "personal responsibility". Not anymore, I see.

Anyway... please provide evidence that there are Americans who wanted to leave still trapped in Kabul.

 

I don't remember that we EVER in our history made a deal in which we got this short-changed.

How many terrorists do you think it would take.... say, for example,... to put a suicide bomber in a crowded airport full of American troops?

I don't remember the U.S. ever making a deal in which we got this short-changed.

 

I can see why

Do you even know what the Pentagon is stating? Do you even watch a Pentagon briefing?
Do you know who Gen. Ken McKenzie is?
US Central Commander

 

Why? Did any of them say that if we had left on May 1st Americans who wanted to leave WOULD accept the offer made by the Embassy to pay for their tickets?

If there are any still left, it just proves that Darwin was right.

 

Thats funny, before you made it absolutely clear that NO American soldier was lost to the Taliban

So now that we have confirmed (BY YOU) that no American was bombed at the airport by the Taliban

Which decision is better

Having American soldiers killed and road side bombed for 2 years while staying at war with the Taliban
OR
Signing an agreement to release 5000 Taliban fighters
A Two year cease fire
NO American soldiers killed
NO road side bombs
1000 Afghan Military personnel released by the Taliban
13,000 soldiers brought home
3 Military bases evacuated

So are you going to answer that or keep avoiding the question.

 

So know you are going to post in bad faith because you keep getting caught by your own questions verifying you don't know as much as you are leading every one to believe about the evacuation of Kabul?
Why am I not surprised
You asked please provide evidence that there are Americans who wanted to leave still trapped in Kabul.

I provided it. You saw it.
Next

 

Did you ever find the citation I asked for? No? No surprise.

 

We had made progress in Afghanistan over that 20 years.

Suggesting that no more progress was possible doesn't make sense to me.

The task of nation building Afghanistan required us to make serious changes in their entire world view. When we went in, the country was governed by local chieftains and the notion of being part of a country with a government was a minority view. Also, their view of government and law was closely tied to their religion in a way that we know doesn't work, as governments founded in a religion don't work. There were serious problems with their economy and other aspects as well.

While I certainly opposed conquering Afghanistan in the first place, we did make progress.

But, having made the investment to get to the point that many actually thought Afghanistan could stand on its own at least in the significant cities, and then to TURN AFGHANISTAN OVER TO THE TALIBAN???

No, that is a major mistake.

At the very least, if we insisted on scaling back, we needed to take a careful look at the less aggressive options that we might have perused.

Instead, we actually visited the Afghan government in 2020 and told them face to face that they were not going to get ANY military support from the US anymore!!!

Our serious and exclusive focus on running away says WAY more than I would like about how the US makes commitments and follows through.