There is something I'm not understanding about the right wing Afghanistan narrative...

Was somebody actually expecting that the Taliban would NOT take over when we left?

I mean... obviously that was never a point of contention. It was just a matter of how fast. Which only depended on how willing the Afghan army was to try to stop them. Well... it turned out that they had no intention whatsoever to stand up to them.

But that makes absolutely no difference as far as we're concerned! All American who wanted to be evacuated have been evacuated. And yes, we do need to protect translators. And we are. You do know the pull out actually began in May, right? Since then, everybody has been told to prepare.

So what exactly is this "debacle" that Fox and wingnut media is talking about? Is it because some dopes decided to hang on to the belly of an airplane that was taking off? If that's it, I have no idea how this administration could have anticipated that that could happen.

Because if somebody was expecting a non-Taliban government to survive if we stayed there another 20 years, they don't know what they're talking about.

I would appreciate if somebody can give me a RATIONAL answer. And not just stupid wingnut media talking points.

 

The official narrative from Austin and Milley yesterday is that they didn't plan for an 11 day contingency. I don't know if I believe that, I would tend not to, but your point is valid.

 

One aspect of the Trump admin's negotiations with the terrorists leading the Taliban back when the withdrawal agreement was signed was an expectation the Taliban would open talks with the Afghan government. It never happened, presumably because the T had no intention of sharing power with the government. It was naive of the Trump admin to think they would.

As far as the chaotic situation of the last week goes, IMO, assessing responsibility is in large part going to hinge on which narrative prevails. The one Gen. Milley is sticking to that the conventional wisdom was the Taliban couldn't possibly take over the country as quickly as it did or..........that there were some in the intel community who predicted a rapid takeover and those warnings were largely ignored.

 

Actually, you don't understand anything about what you refer to as the "right wing Afghanistan narrative", or are you just being disingenuous?

First of all, it's Biden's botched withdrawal that left 10-20,000 Americans trapped behind Taliban lines that people are talking about and criticizing.

Secondly, all the Americans who wanted to be evacuated haven't been evacuated, so either you have failed to do your research for the umpteenth time or you're lying.

Third, the Left and Right wing media have been talking about Biden's debacle in Afghanistan.

Finally, 70% of Americans have expressed their disapproval of Biden's mismanagement of the withdrawal, so Biden's failure and the firestorm of criticism isn't a "right wing Afghanistan narrative".

/THREAD FAIL

As usual...

 

Oh my, poor Biden and the right wing conspiracy. All their fault he bungled this.

 

It is quite insane actually. I peruse 3 different political forum sites and their are dozens of redundant posts about it...many saying basically the same things posted by the same people.

They are consumed and I can only assume their right wing bubble purveyors are working overtime to push the message.

Fanatical is the only word I can think of to describe the fixation.

The good thing is that the "stop the steal derp derp" threads have gone to the wayside.

 

Nailed it....haters have to hate.

 

Lucifer's post, third quote, is spot on, is it not?

 

British Parliament Holds Joe Biden in Contempt For Unilateral Decisionmaking and Botched Afghan Withdrawal.

 

@Golem
How many threads are you gonna make about this? You can make 100 a day and it will never take away from Joe’s screw up
Can you answer why no common sense was used?
Why weren’t citizens evacuated BEFORE the troops?
This is unjustifiable and your efforts to justify it reek of left wing desperation
This is what happens when presidents get elected through fake ballots
You elected this fool so now suffer the shame like a man!

 

Biden expected the non-Taliban government to survive, and said so.

 

Why? The withdrawal started in May. In fact, it was announced since the previous administration. Why did they choose to stay?

 

True, and Biden's approval ratings will suffer. Not a thread fail, however.

A plurality still supports leaving Afghanistan, so the dip may be temporary. This will play out and we'll see if heads roll.

Poll: Support for U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan — and for Biden’s foreign policy — tumbles as Taliban takes control (yahoo.com)

 

They should suffer. Everyone knows abandoning Americans in Afghanistan is piss poor policy.

 

So this is actually a desperate attempt at straw grabbing?

 

Even CNN has noticed. You?

 

That's a good question. Nobody was prevented from leaving Kabul.

Our biggest mistake was not preparing for, and mitigating the inevitable panic that ensued. It was a blunder, and it's being corrected.

I remember Trump doing something similar with the Kurds, and abandoning a military base to Russians. Trump's response "They (the Kurds) didn’t help us in the Second World War.”

 

The Biden apologists will keep apologizing until Americans are beheaded in the street, then they will disappear like farts in the wind.

 

As far as I remember, I've made only one. Is counting getting difficult for you?

Troops haven't been evacuated. There are still several thousand there.

 

Neither have American contractors trapped behind Taliban checkpoints. When is your hero, Biden, going to do something besides take a nap?

 

Bet the media will not cover that.

 

It was expected. In fact, some time ago, the state department was warning by the Afghanistan embassy that the Taliban would take over very quickly when our troops left and that arrangements should be made for getting Americans out.

 

I confused you for someone else about the multiple threads, sorry

as far as the troops being there. Why are people having such a hard time leaving? Why weren’t they evacuated earlier. Most of all, why can’t you just admit this could have been done better?

 

The troops were evacuated and then Biden sent in a new group.

 

Yeah. That I can agree with. It would have made no difference when we left. If they had 3 months notice and advance, and they wouldn't leave, giving them another 3 months would have made no difference.