The New Climate Reality

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  1. Jack Hays

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    The post comes from a highly respected weather blog maintained by a professor at the University of Washington. You should read it to get the full benefit. Here's an excerpt.
    "Now, the million-dollar question:
    How unusual were the Gulf sea surface temperatures during the strengthening of Hurricane Ida? The figure below shows you the anomaly (or difference) from climatology (normal) of the sea surface temperatures before Ida strengthened (Courtesy of Ryan Maue, previously NOAA Chief Scientist).
    Wow. The water temperatures were actually COOLER than normal where Ida started to intensify (south of Cuba). Interestingly, this is due to the vertical mixing due to previous Hurricane Grace. And for much the route north of Cuba, where Ida rapidly strengthened, temperatures were normal or slightly above normal (less than 1°C above normal). Only near the coast, for the shallow waters of the Gulf shelf, did the temperatures climbed more than 1°C above normal."
     
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    Its a website where anyone can blog. Claims are not fact checked by the owner.
    The article does not discuss the size or strength of hurricane Ida before it entered the gulf. Nor what proportion of its journey it travelled over colder than normal waters. Indeed it mentions an area that was only slightly higher than normal and another that was a degree higher than normal.
    Further it makes no attempt to explain what 1°C above normal really means in terms of ocean temperature.
     
  3. Jack Hays

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    Please do some research.
    The Cliff Mass Weather Blog

    This may help.
    Cliff Mass | College of the Environment
    https://environment.uw.edu › faculty › clifford-mass


    Cliff Mass is a meteorologist who specializes in weather prediction and modeling. A particular emphasis of his research has been the weather features of the western United States. The Seattle Times has called him the “closest thing to a celebrity scientist in Seattle,” and he is the author of The Weather of the Pacific Northwest—one of the best-selling books from the University of Washington Press. He also writes a popular blog about meteorological phenomena, among other weather-related musings, and he has a regular weather segment on one of the local NPR affiliates. Model simulations have been key tools for him and his group, which now runs the most extensive local high-resolution prediction system in the United States. He has received the Max Eaton Award from the American Meteorological Society, of which he is also a Fellow.
     
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    That tells you nothing about the person who made the post.

    You don't even understand the objection.
     
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  5. Jack Hays

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    The post was made by Professor Mass himself. That is quite clear.
     
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    No it isn't. Prove it. All I see is "Guest Blogger"
     
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    GoreBull Warming gets old fast.
     
  10. Jack Hays

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    The linked article was written by Cliff Mass. It's his personal blog.
     
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    So you say. Where does he say.
     
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    This is stupid. The article posted at WUWT is identical to the article linked at the Cliff Mass weather blog. No one writes for the Cliff Mass weather blog except Cliff Mass. No further idiocy will be entertained.
     
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    I couldn't see said article in Cliff Mass weather blog
     
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    Thank you got it now. I wanted to see if the original article contained information left out of the guest blogger one. Such as the fact Cliff recognises man made global warming.
    To give you some insight into this issue, here is a plot of August sea surface temperatures over the Gulf from 1983 to this year (click to expand). Yes, there has been some warming over nearly 40 years....and yes, human-caused global warming could have been the cause.... but the warming is quite small--less than 1°C.
    Thankfully he does.
     
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    Not in dispute.
     
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    New Jersey searches river for missing, New York assesses damage after Ida brings catastrophic flooding that kills at least 8

    "“Having seen impact of a storm no one expected that devastated the area the way that it did, I would not be surprised if we find additional bodies," said the mayor of hard-hit Passaic, N.J."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weat...9.Rnfum-mww9vpi2WPFmuDerTFF42gPxnlBDxjpvCH5ZY

    The extremes and the unredictabelnatrue of these events are all part of the new and current climate reality. The reality is that these will become even more challenging and disastrous. The costs of repairs and restorations will be phenomenal .........as they are now.
     
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    Funny how in the East of the USA, climate changes produces cold and rain.
    But in CA it sets sporadic fires in the forest.
     
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    Indeed. Climate change doesn't mean that every area will be affected with heat. It just means that the total global "warming" factor will render extremes .....in the elements as we know them...... We are witnessing those extremes now more vividly than ever. The extremes are projected t become even more extreme
     
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    That my friends posting is precisely why we started to question the alarmists claims. Vague as hell and unfounded by science.
     
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    That is the most unscientific remarks made today.
     
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    Since when did science really matter to many Americans?? (mainly the Republicans ) Think the Pandemic......... and current fist fights over mask wearing. and vaccinations. Tink climate change deniers. Their BELIEFS are mores imoratnt to them than scientific facts & data. Most of them live in the disinformation world of SOCIAL media.
     
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    Actually, science is the basis of climate change skepticism.
     
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