How to convince people to get vaccinated

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  1. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

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    There is no data that vaccine is better then natural immunity, regardless what Trump did.
    Whole that "democratic" dictatorial stunts are about controlling people.
    And since government cannot directly attack people they force employers to attack them.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "You boys" hits the wrong target. I'm not a Democrat, not a leftist, and not a liberal.
    It's not even certain that this is hitting more the Republican Party. Remember, communities of color that traditionally vote Democrat have been harder hit by the virus and also have large vaccine hesitancy.
    My standpoint on this is not partisan; it's a matter of public health.
    But nice try.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump just did that, better late then never
     
  4. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So I debunked the idiotic study you posted to substantiate this, you never responded, but you continue to spout this nonsense. Typical.
     
  5. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the vaccine is better at protecting you from the variants as it targets the spikes
     
  6. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel has also given booster shots to 1.2 million people and they published a study saying that the immunity got fully restored by the booster shots.
    Those saying that the vaccines lost efficacy are not considering booster shots.
    As per hesitancy among blacks and Hispanics, you are right.
     
  7. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it's a lot like requiring people to wear a seat belt

    I do not support that either, I support educating the public, then letting them decide

    I am pro-choice
     
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  8. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I mean, there are reasons and reasons to decline the vaccine and I respect some, but thinking that the vaccines have a microchip in them to track you is indeed crazy. It can't be called anything but.
     
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    And now Sweden will not allow Israelis and citizens from other highly vaccinated societies.

    Higher vaccine rates = higher infection rates.

    No Virginia, the shots do not confer immunity. Besides killing some and maiming others, they don't work worth a damn, causing infections and filling the hospitals.

    Scamdemic strikes again. :lol:
     
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    It is B.S., sorry.
    Those are just political talking point without any kind of scientific support.
    Whole thing is to about control, with intention to make "Democrat" party rule indefinitely.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it's sad you see this as political, this is not a political issue, I wish you could see that
     
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    Oh my God!

    Canada is one of the most vaccinated nation, and their Daily Cases have been surging since mid July.

    HOWEVER; as of 08 September, 2021

    Canada’s current Covid Hospitalizations; Under 1,500

    Canada’s Daily Deaths 7-Day Rolling Average; 21



    U.S. current Covid Hospitalizations; Over 95,000

    U.S. Daily Deaths 7-Day Rolling Average; 1,272

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    A question to Governor Jim Justice, West Virginia; In reference to the anti-vaxxers who’ve been comparing the U.S. and the most vaccinated nations, are they on your list of CRAZY People?
     
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    So, you have a hard time recognizing satire.
     
  14. kreo

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    Why should I think differently?
     
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    Reality is only a minor inconvenience to their agenda.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it's not a political issue, you can think however you want though
     
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    Quote; Higher vaccine rates = higher infection rates

    Before I’ll feed you to the wolves, what’s your method of calculating infection rates?

    Note; According to anti-Vaxxers, PCR tests are obsolete, thus, how can anything equates to higher infection rates?
     
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    As always you tailor your argument specifically to the audience. But its time to understand that this is a one on one conversation now between doctor and an audience of one. The doctor is local. The doctor understands the local culture , and the doctor understands his patient and that patients risk factors and the likelyhood this guy is going to get really sick. He can talk to the diabetic about that risk. He can talk to the CHF patient about that risk. He's got to listen to find out which of the local lines of crap are impacting this patient and not get into WW3 over issues that are not bothering this patient.

    Another great advantage getting this vaccine in the doctors office is that its strictly confidential, nobody gets seen standing in line at Walmart, or overheard asking a question about the shot. The trick is for staff to survey their patients and find out which need the 'personal touch' of an appointment.
     
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    Quote; It was sold as immunity to Covid19

    YOU ARE SPREADING DISHONESTY

    It was initially sold has a percent of efficacy against SARS-COV-2, thus, against the original Covid19.

    For example;

    A 95% Efficacy Rate indicates a 95% decrease in the number of cases among a group of vaccinated people compared to a group in which nobody was vaccinated.

    Also, vaccines don’t act like an insect repellent.......Covid19 will still penetrate a vaccinated body, and then; Google “How vaccines work”

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    THUS, stop the misinformation, or you’ll end up on Gov. Jim Justice CRAZY list of people.
     
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    In addition to the above;

    EFFICACY Rate is Clinical Trial Rate, and Rate of EFFECTIVENESS is a Post-Clinical Trial Rate/Real World Rate, and Pfizer/Moderna have been forthright on their rates of effectiveness, one dose, two doses, and soon, the effectiveness of their booster shots.

    Thus, attention cry babies, what’s your real problem?
     
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    No, that would be you. The CDC just changed the definition of vaccination because the current COVID vaccines didnt fit the definition.
    They changed

    "The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease"

    and is now

    "The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection to a specific disease"

    Because the COVID vaccines dont produce an "immunity to a specific disease" and only give SOME protection against more serious illness.
     
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    You are still misinforming, and due to a lack of understanding.
     
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    Theyve gone from -

    95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus

    to

    efficacy of 95% at preventing symptomatic Covid infection

    because it wasnt 95% effective at preventing an infection.
     
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    Let time and data set in. The more you try to force someone to do something the less likely they will want to do it.

    Stop trying to be authoritarian.
     
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    Feel free to dispute anything Ive stated if you can.
     

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