How to convince people to get vaccinated

The left need to quit lying to people and admit that:

vaccinations do indeed kill many people

vaccinations do indeed cause thousands to have severe adverse reactions

vaccinated people spread the virus

masked people spread the virus

it is unfair to blame the unvaccinated and the unmasked for spreading the virus when the vaccinated and the masked also spread the virus

they are lying when they claim most of the unvaccinated are red state Trump supporters

letting in 80,000 only vaccinated people to a sporting event is really stupid because it would be a superspreader event




They need to admit all of these things and then say that the vaccines do seem extremely good at greatly reducing hospitalizations and deaths

 

What is the leftist agenda you're talking about? That people should get vaccinated? What is leftist about vaccinations? Unfortunately Covid-19 has acquired a huge political interference and things that shouldn't be political, became so. In the past, if a pediatrician said to a parent "your child needs the polio vaccine; should we do it?" The parent would respond "yes, sure" (as long as the parent wasn't a crazy anti-vaxxer) and nobody would think that the encounter had anything political about it. It's just preventative medical care (and in the case of this disease, it's an intervention that literally saves life and limb).

Maybe you think that vaccine mandates are a leftist agenda? I'm not crazy about mandates, but do realize that this country always had mandated vaccinations (for enrollment in school, for the military, for travel to certain countries that have yellow fever, etc.). These mandates are not necessarily leftist or rightist.

Public health benefits all Americans. Public health is not a leftist or a rightist thing. Viruses make all Americans sick. Viruses couldn't care less if the infected person is leftist or rightist. Politicizing a virus is plain stupid.

 

First of all whole COVID-19 thing started as a campaign to overturn Trump.
It started with gross number exaggerations, fake news and all softs of stupidity.
Then we had BLM, that somehow appeared to be immune to COVID-19 according to the leftists.
Now leftist promote vaccine mandates and useless measures like masks and lockdowns.
It appears like leftists are using any excuse to take away freedom from people.

 

When scientists get caught lying to the public and fudging their data they can kiss their credibility goodbye.

"The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian."
THE GUARDIAN, Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials, By Sarah Boseley Health editor, June 5, 2020.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-paper-that-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials

Scientists must always tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to be credible.

 

Yeah, sure. Covid started in China, went from there to Italy, than the United Kingdom, etc., because it was a campaign to overturn Trump!!!! All countries where Trump wasn't running. Italy at the time had a rightist government and so did the United Kingdom, but yeeeeees, I'm sure they were faking some sort of hoax there just to overturn Trump!

Sure, sure, Covid--19 exists in 210 countries in the world, only one had Trump but ohhhhh suuuuuuuuure it was just a campaign to overturn Trump! That is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read here.

No gross number exaggerations. The numbers are accurate as evidenced by the Deaths By All Causes / Excess Deaths as compared to a non-pandemic period (but you wouldn't understand that).

BLM of course and ANY other large gathering including Trump's rallies were stupid. I never exempted BLM from being stupid in the middle of a pandemic. They didn't have a monopoly on stupidity, though.

Lockdowns? What freaking lockdowns are you talking about? Please tell me what lockdowns are in place. They've been employed for about 5 weeks in April/May 2020 and never more, and you guys keep whining about lockdowns. Gee!

Masks don't work? You obviously ignore the science behind them (why am I not surprised?). I've shown a meta-analysis (you wouldn't know what that is) with an adjusted relative risk (you wouldn't know what that is, either) drop of 82%.

Like I said about vaccine mandates, I'm not a fan but they've always existed in this country, under both leftist and rightist administrations.

And look, your post is so INCREDIBLY misguided, that this is the last time I've read you or responded to you. Have a nice and long live. Over and out. I'm done with you.

 

Yea, you are the good example why people do not believe to their government.
Your original question was how to make more people get vaccinated.
The answer is stop treat them as trash promoting stupid policies.
Mask that is worn by 90% of people (rugs) do not help against airborne infection.

 

Are you saying you’ve allowed yourself to be deceived?

Reason my asking; I haven’t been misled by the Left, or Right.

 

Quote; The Left need to quit lying

What about the Right?

Reason my asking;

2020’s Number of Covid Deaths, and Covid as the underlying cause of death was UNDERREPORTED, and I’m telling you the truth.

Psst; Two weeks ago, I studied CDC’s Death Coding System, over two hours of studying, and then, “I saw the light”. Question; On this site, are posters lying/misleading DUE TO A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING?

 

Both the left and the right need to quit lying. But, the left are censoring legitimate information from the right and calling it misinformation when, in fact, it is not. I'm not talking about conspiracy theories here. I'm talking about facts. The left and the lefty media need to quit lying about the things I mentioned and the right should quit talking stupid conspiracy theories.

 

Conspiracy theories: a way for dumb people to think they are smart.

 

Those who do not trust "scientists" who have been caught lying are a bit harder to fool.

"The weak use ordinary lies to protect themselves from their rulers. Machiavelli's Prince also used ordinary lies to keep his subjects down. But Machiavelli's "fraud" encompasses not only ordinary lies but also basic lies— Hegemonic lies — designed to win consent from the governed. Force is then kept in reserve for use when consent fails."
THE PREVALENCE OF DECEIT, F. G. Bailey, Cornell University Press, Ithaca, NY 1991.p. 82.

 

Approx. 5 years ago, I predicted a large segment of the population would become like Trump, for example; “Doubt Planters”.

And on this site, it feels like I’m constantly battling Trump’s deceitful ways.

 

Even daubiest person is capable to figure out that vaccine is absolutely unnecessary for those who already had COVID.

 

I would suggest putting away your darwin awards for a while, and start treating all people as though their lives matter, and that their deaths are a tragic loss, regardless of their vaccination status.

 

Heart disease kills more people than COVID.

 

Then why have hospitals been using them for over a century at least?


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And old age kills even more - your point?

 

"Many people" is misleading. Vaccinations are far safer than the infections they are meant to prevent, and that is absolutely true in the case of Covid-19.

"Thousands" is again misleading, since it makes it sound like so many people when, in reality, it is a very small number of the total who receive vaccines. Again, vaccines are far less deadly or dangerous than the infections they prevent.

Vaccinated and masked people can spread the virus, but neither is billed as a 100% effective solution. Condoms don't always prevent pregnancies or STDs, and seatbelts don't always save lives in accidents, but that's no reason not to use them either.

Since unmaked and unvaccinated people spread this virus a lot more than masked and vaccinated people do, it is absolutely fair to blame them for purposely refusing to do things that will help themselves and others to avoid illness and potential death caused by this virus.

I don't know who these alleged "they" are who are claiming that most of the unvaccinated are "red state Trump supporters," but it is important to remember that people go unvaccinated for different reasons, and no matter what the statistics are, people who refuse to be vaccinated and refuse to wear masks because of their personal beliefs are contributing to a very serious problem for millions of people besides themselves and, as you seem to be doing, choose to ignore and deny this reality because of those beliefs.

 

They need to come clean of what the vaccine will accomplish. It was sold as immunity to COVID. CDC had to change the definition of vaccination for the current batch of vaccines to even meet the definition. It was

"The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease"

and is now

"The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection to a specific disease"

 

So what? Does that make COVID good?

 

There's that smug ridicule that will really get your message heard...

 

Are we completely sure vaccination is really a good idea for everyone?


Is even suggesting that question considered heresy these days?

 

Here's an idea: Why not create a panel of extreme conservatives and known anti-vaxxers, and have them analyze all the evidence and write their own report?

There do exist some prominent anti-vaccine doctors, so you could put them on the panel.

If you take these people and they write anything in their report that is in favor of the vaccination, then everyone will know that political bias was not involved in their positive view.

To do this, they would only be looking at numbers and studies, and would not be reading other people's interpretations of what those studies mean.

All that would be required is some funding to pay these people to devote some time to the study, and some funding to hire special (independent) assistants to help bring them the research.


I'm sure there are also some pro-vaccine myths that could be corrected.
Do those need correcting too?

 

Masks protect very well against bacterial infection.
We are talking about airborne viruses,
https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-transmission-overview#:~:text=Research shows that the virus,contributes to the pandemic.

Airborne means masks do not help.

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mSphere.00637-20

 

I like it. And we must accept that some will never get vaccinated.