The New Climate Reality

My comments on NY City is accurate but that is far east in America. Thanks for more descriptions.
Cold kills far more than warm does.

When they can start blaming man for cold, they will be happy to do that too.

 

Yes that is true. I was speaking of regulations. Trump sliced them way down. But for his efforts we still would not have them being used.

Biden is in charge. notice no new vaccine is here for us since he took charge.

 

It is just a guess on my part but I think the reason is that the old vaccines are providing a meaningful therapy for the virus. While infections are clearly up since delta arrived, death rates have declined apparently because of the vaccines. I haven't heard about any new vaccines under development although there very well could be.

 

The fact we are seeing highest recorded temperatures being broken year after year in the "coldest Inter-Glacial Period in recorded history"
should worry you a lot.

 

So you want us to pump the atmosphere full of Co2 to compensate for when the next mini ice age comes along in about 1,500 years?

I'm sure your great grand children (To the power on 90) will be grateful

 

No. We are not.
New Study: High Arctic Canada’s Early Holocene Winter Air Temperatures Were ‘6-8°C Warmer Than Today’
By Kenneth Richard on 16. September 2021

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The Canadian Arctic’s surface temperatures have been up to 15 to 25°C warmer than today during the geologically recent Holocene, Pleistocene, and Pliocene epochs.
Scientists (Campbell-Heaton et al., 2021) assessing the ratio of winter temperature at the ground surface to that in the air (the “freezing n-factor”) suggest ground surface winter temperatures now (1981-2016) average -33°C in the Canadian Arctic’s Eureka Sound Lowlands. . . .

 

Antarctica is cooling.
Scientists Find “Surprising” And “Statistically Significant” Cooling Trend Over Entire Continental Antarctica
By P Gosselin on 17. September 2021

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East Antarctica, which covers two thirds of the South Pole, has cooled a whopping 2.8°C over the past 4 decades; West Antarctica approximately 1.6°C. ..only tiny Antarctic Peninsula saw statistically insignificant warming.

German climate website Die kalte Sonne posted its 64th climate video here and examined a new paper on Antarctica by Zhu et al (2021): “An Assessment of ERA5 Reanalysis for Antarctic Near-Surface Air Temperature”. . . .

 

Who gives a flying fig what the temperatures were 11,500 years ago? And if they REALLY do and they want to COMPARE they should look at the reasons for Canada's Artic temperatures 11,500 years ago.
Further, they in no way explain why we are seeing such high temperatures NOW in what is claimed to be "coldest Inter-Glacial Period in recorded history"
So instead of cherry picking bits of data that suit you, try looking at global patterns of rainfall over the last 40 years.

 

You're the one who said, ". . . we are seeing highest recorded temperatures being broken year after year. . . ." I merely post the data. As for rainfall . . .
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Well, okay, yeah, the ice sheet would start calving into Manhattan Bay.

Oh, yeah, you can bet the farm on that. They'll be blaming us for something.

No, because all 8 previously recorded Inter-Glacial Periods had average global temperatures 7.5°F to 15.3°F warmer than present.

The fact that a handful of isolated locations where temperature recording instruments are sitting on a black tar roof in an urban area report "high" temperatures is nothing.

It's even less than nothing, since those "breaking records" (snicker) aren't 7.5°F to 15.3°F warmer than normal.

Not only that, your claims are baseless and without merit, because you have no idea what temperatures were locally 150 or 200 or 500 years ago.

CO2 levels were 26,000 ppm for ~2,500,000,000 years and nothing happened very slowly, before CO2 levels decreased to 10,000 ppm over 500,000,000 years during the Great Oxygenation Event and nothing happened very slowly.

CO2 does not drive climate, but Water Vapor does.

Thank you for admitting the entire global-warming-nutter-nonsense is driven by personal, political and social agendas and not science.

It is not a claim, it is a scientific fact.

And, you are not seeing "high temperatures NOW."

Thank you for admitting you don't understand the difference between weather and climate.

Local weather phenomenon are irrelevant.

You have already admitted to being a Science Denier, but here's more science anyway:

Continental climate in the East Siberian Arctic during the last interglacial: Implications from palaeobotanical records

The reconstruction from plant macrofossils, representing more local environments, reached MTWA values above 12.5 °C in contrast to today's 2.8 °C.

https://people.ucsc.edu/~acr/migrate...0al 2008.pdf

Just so we're totally clear on the concept, a temperature of 12.5°C higher is 22.5°F warmer.

If you don't know where the East Siberian Arctic is, perhaps you should consult a map.

Vegetation and climate of the last interglacial on Baffin Island, Arctic Canada From applications of both correspondence analysis regression and best modern analogue methodologies, we infer July air temperatures of the last interglacial to have been 4 to 5 °C warmer than present on eastern Baffin Island, which was warmer than any interval within the Holocene.

[emphasis mine]

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Arctic_Canada

Again, just to make sure you understand, science says temperatures on eastern Baffin Island were 4.0°C to 5.0° warmer than "NOW."

4.0°C to 5.0°C is the same as 7.2°F to 9.0°F warmer than "NOW."

Look at a map to find Baffin Island.

So scream all you want because science proves you're wrong.

 

Well clearly I wasn't going back eons into history, for I didn't include the big bang.
Sigh.

 

Rain fall is changing, the rain is moving.

 

Why was that then.
What effect did that have on human civilisations?

 

That's an evidence-free claim. Sort of Trumpian, actually.

 

Of course not. The Big Bang predates rainfall.

 

Why do you want it to be hotter?

This question applies to every alarmist.
Why do you reject science showing the cooling and gladly accept reports alleging it is hotter?

 

A huge body of science on the one hand and on the other a data point or 2. Does the data point or 2 in this hand invalidate the huge body of science on the other?

 

One that's easy for you to check. Personally I'm not bothered as pretty much every government and most of the public accept the truth.

We were discussing temperature.

 

Really? From your #1183:
"So instead of cherry picking bits of data that suit you, try looking at global patterns of rainfall over the last 40 years."

 

And a check reveals there's no evidence.

 

The Eastern Antarctic Ice Sheet is ~800,000 years old, in contrast with the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet which is only 8,000 years old.

Yes, that's right. Some 10,000 to 12,000 years ago, the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet totally melted.

It started to reform circa 6,000 BCE.

The good news is whatever happened to the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet had no effect on the Eastern Antarctic Ice Sheet and so we have ice cores from it which are referred to as EPICA Dome C Cores.

Those cores contain a record of the 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods.

In each and every one of those 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods, the sea levels were a minimum 4 meters higher than present.

In at least 3 of those 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods, the sea levels were as much as 14 meters higher than present.

In all 8 of those previous Inter-Glacial Periods, CO2 levels never exceeded 298 ppm CO2, and that was 332,919 years ago when it was 298.6 ppm.

CO2 levels ranged from 270 ppm to 280 ppm in all 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods, except for the following 16 years, which includes data from this Inter-Glacial Period:

Years Ag0 / CO2 in ppm
559 281.1
404 281.9
672 282.2
331,944 282.4
128,866 282.6
410,206 282.6
402,000 283.1
400,504 283.2
411,071 283.5
408,600 284.5
407,093 285.6
333,890 285.8
128,609 286.8
128,372 287.1
332,462 288.4
332,285 289.1

Your task is simple:

Prove to us, with an absolute guarantee, that reducing CO2 levels from the current 404 ppm CO2 to 280 ppm CO2 will prevent sea levels from rising another 4 meters to 14 meters like they have in all 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods.

Can you do that? With no deflection, flouncing or dodging?

In the alternative:

Explain why sea levels should not rise another 4 meters to 14 meters.

Again, no deflecting, flouncing or dodging.

Or, in the alternative:

Explain the rationale for preventing Earth from doing what it always does.

No deflecting, dodging or flouncing.

If you cannot, is there any global warming nutter up to the challenge?

 

Again, thank you for admitting your denial of science is for personal, political and social reasons.

The effect on human civilizations is irrelevant, since you are the servant and Earth is the master.

I am truly sorry that people stupidly built cities 1 meter from the high tide mark on beaches before they had a clue that Earth has been in an Ice Age for 23 Million years and that Ice Age is punctuated by alternating periods of glaciation (80%) and warming (20%), but that is not a reason to spew propaganda to push a false personal, political or social agenda.

But none of that matters, because your Göbbelizing will never stop sea levels from rising another 4 meters to 14 meters like they always do.

The sea levels are gonna rise another 4 meters to 14 meters like they normally do and there ain't a damn thing you or anyone else can do to stop it.

So, get over it already.

The only thing that needs to happen is governments need to get the hell out of the way and let the Free Market deal with it swiftly, efficiently and effectively.

 

We are a long way into this interglacial period and the sea rises associated with glacial melt should be long over. However increased temperatures due to atmospheric Co2 have meant that glaciers around the world are melting again, so we must expect further sea rises unless we reduce Co2.
As regards your measurements, like all these claims they should be based on all the variables at the time and not taken as direct comparisons of today. For instance if sea levels were lower because of larger glacial retention then the increase would also be proportionally higher as well.

 

And again you make sweeping statements both about me and about climate. Misusing data to make points they don't actually support.
Forever refusing to look at the rest of the data from your chosen historic period to see what other forces were in play.

 

Sea level is still well below the holocene maximum.
Huge Database Of Studies Documenting Meters-Higher Mid-Holocene Sea Levels Swells Again In 2020
By Kenneth Richard on 4. January 2021

In 2020, scientists continued to publish papers affirming global sea levels are today about 2 meters lower than they were a few thousand years ago. During the last interglacial (~116 to 128 thousand years ago), when CO2 peaked at just 280 ppm but surface temperatures were so much warmer that much less water was locked […]

And current rise is gentle.


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