Milley, McKenzie say they recommended 2,500 troops stay in Afghanistan, after Biden claims he was ne

We had gotten out of Afghanistan, and it was a covert war. It was used to help topple the USSR.

People seem to forget how tense and how close nuclear war was.

 

Red herring. I wasn't talking about WWII. The Japanese attacked the U.S. The Afghan government did not send the terrorists on 9/11, Wealthy people in Saudi Arabia did that.

 

FYI, the Taliban, the ones that ruled Afghanistan in 2001 are the same that rule now, harbored the terrorists that attacked us.

 

But what about the 2500 troops that were there when Biden took office?

 

Hey I’m giving him a scapegoat for his failure on this one.

 

Compared to the thousands that GW is responsible and the 500K+ that Trump is responsible when they both lied, a whole 13 isn't worth much.

You should never have invaded the place and Biden isn't the one who did it.

 

At this point, the fact that the senior military will not publicly testify to their recommendations (yes, there is a statuary limitation there), we are left not knowing what these folks actually said, and are relying on their "personal opinions" now being preferred in the hearings. Not one of these partisan blow hards should be allowed to continue to serve, although at this point, the puppet in chief who's staff rely on their meat shields will not allow them to be removed, lest they themselves be exposed for their own manipulation of sleepy Xoe.

Xoe is the problem. His military politicians are the problem. And the national security of this nation are in peril because of them.

 

4th time, Biden followed the wrong advice.

 

Biden is really stuck now.
Generals Contradict Biden, But WH Insists Otherwise

Philip Wegmann, RCP

". . . this hearing was particularly problematic for the president. Just hours before Psaki embraced the oversight, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and the head of U.S. Central Command, Gen. Frank McKenzie, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that they had recommended keeping at least 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan to prevent the country from collapsing. The obvious problem: Biden had gone on the record in August saying he never got that advice. . . ."

 

IMO, with hindsight, it was a mistake to confront the USSR in Afghanistan.

 

That may be true, but the WH will not say who gave him the bad advice. Alas.

 

I disagree. The Soviet defeat in Afghanistan helped hasten the end of the USSR.

 

Perhaps, but, IMO, it would have been better for the USA if Russia continued to on top of Afghanistan.

 

We disagree. The destruction of the Soviet Union was one of the most important and positive developments of the 20th century.

 

At that time we were worried that the USSR was going to move into Iran and take control of those oil resources and that vital seaway choke point that the world's oil supply passes through. Carter had lost Iran, so it was a screw up in response to a previous screw up.

 

'A screwup in response to a previous screw up' can pretty much sum up our foreign policy and the Pentagon these days.

 

Parents of Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller call for resignation of top military leaders.

All the screw ups walk. The man who told the truth, him they jailed. I think I'd take the guy with the "mean" tweets over this continuous stream of screw ups and unjust acts.

"Admiral Byng, pick up the white courtesy phone."

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Except under Trump. We had no massive screw ups like this. 4 years of the golden age of reason. We need a younger like minded of enormous talent to pick up the baton that was forced from Trump's hand.

 

Let's unpack a couple of things. I, for one, am not overly upset that the Taliban have Afghanistan. While it would have been great for the Taliban to have a joint agreement with the formerly installed government we had to realize the reality of that was very slim. Comprehended so far? Good. Nor do I have a problem with withdrawal in of itself, as Biden stated he should not bequeath this war to another President. I agree with him on that principle.

The reality however is that Biden was given multiple options for the best path for the withdrawal and each and every time, Biden chose the worst option. Leaving the air base without prior notice, failing to evacuate civilians months, and i mean months before hand. The dude was inaugurated by January 20th, his first 100 days would be in or around May. He had more than enough time, to protect civilian life in Afghanistan were he proactive.

The Taliban offer him control over a city, and he decides to crouch down in an airport, with a fraction of the forces that he needed to carry out the mission. As commander, he has lost ability to command and lost the confidence with which to do so. And at no point(despite Liberal outcries to the contrary) did Trump fall as hard.

Biden is untrustworthy and unreliable as commander in chief.

 

Fake News. The Taliban openly hosted and collaborated with them. Biden lost the war, turned the country back over to them, gave them a massive arms infusion, rescued rapists and child molesters, murdered innocents and left Americans behind. He is magnetically drawn to the worst possible choice.

Take his lies about the border patrol, now they can no longer use horses. Biden has screwed up the economy so badly that now even the horses are losing their jobs.

Except for the undercover dirtbag FBI horses
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Withdrawal was the poor choice. Shortly after 9/11 the smartest guys in the Pentagon began using the term "The Long War," and by that they did not rule out up to a century. We will pay a price for our abdication.

 

Ok I understand thanks

 

That's politics.

 

That's not a long war, that's national suicide. All of that blood letting and the loss of our men and women, and for what? A government that collapsed in the matter of a month(if not weeks.) We failed to anchor ourselves to Afghanistan and to make it a US State(actually, failed is the wrong word, we didn't even try.) So if we had no interests of incorporating Afghanistan, just what were we doing there exactly?

It seems at this point, we use the military to abandon a few thousand Americans to remote posts all over the world, never to bring them back to their home country. That seems to me, at this point the purpose to the military.

 

The kind of wars we will win super fast and for good, means we destroy the civilization in the country. Bush nor Obama nor Trump preferred such destruction.
So the option for all of them, including Biden was hold onto what was won and as in Korea keep troops there until the resistance is gone. For example we do not notice resistance from South Korea and North Korea is not in charge of South Korea.
Trump went a year and a half with no troops killed. Biden fixed that fast. He got 13 of our troops killed.
As some say, abandoning the country was not a good plan.

The bulk of the cost was already spent and when Biden came in, all he had was holding costs.

Example of how to win wars.
Around fifteen German cities were firebombed, in which destruction of the cities was almost total; the temperatures created in the firestorm were huge.

List of strategic bombing over Germany in World War II