‘Exhausted and underpaid’: teachers across the US are leaving their jobs in numbers

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  1. Arleigh

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    Some teachers carry student loan debt. Some teachers do not make the $61 k figure you posted. Some teachers want to own their own home and working a summer job, including teaching summer school, helps to pay that mortgage and that student loan debt. Depending on how “poor” or “rich” the school district is, some teachers pay for classroom supplies out of their own pocket.

    Have you ever spent 7 hours in one day with 27 9 year olds?
     
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    Perhaps it is because people have seen the teachers that have been filmed indoctrinating children, yelling at kids who disagree, etc. etc. It is probable that not all teachers agree with this and the ones who go viral may be in the minority. Then, it is up to the good teachers to have the courage to stand up and say this isn't the way we feel. Perhaps to quit the teacher's union. We've also seen the teachers union come up with every excuse imaginable, using the virus as justification, not to go back to work.

    I agree. We should all be attending the school board meetings to precipitate changes, not only those of us who have kids in public schools. Instead of whining.
     
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    No. But I've spent ten hours in one day doing manual labor.
     
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    As I said in an above post, some teachers can work 12 hours or more in a single day.

    Looks there are far more people who would rather do something else than spend time teaching youths in this country.
     
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    Most teachers are contracted and only get paid for the days they work. Every state has differences since education is controlled by the state according to the Constitution. If you dislike your local education, might I suggest you involve yourself in local politics instead of attacking all teachers everywhere as if they are a monolith.

    Contractual labor is not the same as a salary.
     
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    Sounds like a mental disease. There is no reason to be afraid and if the work does not get done, that's your employers problem for not hiring enough people. Enough said
     
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    Huh. Didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me.

    I'm sure there are many dedicated teachers left around who would never think of leaving their job because they love teaching and children. And who aren't fussing about their pay, since they chose the profession in free will. I just wish these would stand up and be recognized, so we know they are around.
     
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    8:00 to 3;30? Do you really think that is their whole work day? Nah, you can't possibly be that stupid so what are you really doing here? Rabble rousing for the hell of it?
     
  9. Pro_Line_FL

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    You can blame the employer, or whoever you want, but blame-game never solved any problem. They still have to work OT to get all the work done aka they are overworked.

    Teachers aren't the only ones resigning. There has been a massive resignation boom due to abundance of jobs. I see lots of people quit, and take better offers with the competition, and this scenario is not necessarily a bad thing. If you have been thinking about moving on, this is the time.
     
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    Funny, I haven't seen one teacher make that claim. Most state they are tired of the indoctrination and refuse to teach leftist crap. They even show up at public school board meetings now and quit explaining why. Not one teacher has claimed they quit over exhaustion or Covid.

    Sounds more like making excuses for the obvious idiocy the left is pushing on these teachers and they are trying to cover up the real reasons they are leaving in droves.
     
  11. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You haven't seen.....? And that is somehow supposed to prove that no one has said it.......- that someone just made it up.

    And this just hit them last year? Wait, aren't teachers leftists who insist on pushing "leftist crap". That has been the argument until now, but I guess a new argument had to be invented now that situation has changed.
     
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    I haven't seen it and neither have you. But you read one article and all of a sudden, you're all in? lol

    The fact that you think all teachers are leftist just case your entire claims, void.
     
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    I didn't say all, and its not my argument, it has been the mainstream republican argument. Not that its a bogus claim, because when it comes to teachers, there are 87 Democrats for every 13 Republicans. Republicans are not into teaching, they are into complaining and blame-shifting about teaching.

    But now you claim that they are all Republicans who have been indoctrinating students all these years, and suddenly in 2020 they got tired of it and quit.
     
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    No Republican has claimed that all teachers are leftist. Fake propaganda.

    More fake propaganda.

    More fake propaganda. I never claimed that.
    But it certainly shows your desperation, doesn't it.
     
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    The teachers got too used to their cushy covid schedules of sitting home on their couches doing a few hours of Zoom classes per day, and they don't want to go back to the real world.

    Teachers Work Two Hours Less Per Day During COVID-19
    https://www.edweek.org › teaching-learning › 2020/05

    May 11, 2020 — Following are eight key findings from the EdWeek Research Center's latest survey, completed online by 908 teachers and district leaders on May 6 ...

    Overall, the nation’s teachers reported working an average of seven hours a day, compared with nine hours a day before schools closed due to the coronavirus.

    Students Count: Highlights from COVID-19 Student Surveys
    https://www.crpe.org › thelens › students-count-highlig...

    Jul 7, 2020 — Thirty-two percent of all students surveyed say they had two or less hours of online learning per day. Even taking into account that a typical ...

    "We're overworked! Waaaaa!"

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    Actually there is a minimum of two or three sides to all of this......
    the evidence that the cloth masks are largely "theatre" is impressive......
    the evidence that the negative side effects of most of the vaccines are toxic is also impressive.....
    the evidence that this is all related to a plan to set in motion a high level of inflation is also impressive.......

    but of course..... this angle on the whole topic could turn out to be wrong......
    frankly.... I would love to be proven wrong on this theory......


     
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    The "exhausted and underpaid" teacher in that article was a first grade teacher. Her school has a 15:1 student : teacher ratio. She lives in a house valued at well over 1 million dollars. She's a registered Democrat.
     
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    It was set in motion during massive infusion of money in 2020, but was the intent to create inflation? I seriously doubt it, but the truth remains that it was known over a year ago that the disaster of 2020 will trigger temporary inflation. It was unavoidable. Could Trump have done something differently? He could chose to not inject the money, but I am afraid things would be even worse today.

    So it seems, and this time you are also off topic.
     
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    If they required my wife to get vaccinated they would lose her as well. If you don’t feel safe I think quitting is the way to go cause I will never vaccinate my kids to make them feel better.
     
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    The idea is to vaccinate them to protect them against a virus, not to make them feel better.

    Sounds like your kids have not been vaccines against any disease. Typically kids in US receive 16 vaccines against various diseases, and in most cases kids who haven’t received the required shots for their age can’t attend school (or day care) be it public or private school.
     
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    Vaccinating my kids will not make them safer. Therefore it will only make the fearful teachers feel safer if I did.

    They all had COVID already which is scientifically proven by peer study that they have greater immunity than the vaccinated.

    Secondly my side effects from moderna were way worse than their actual symptoms from actually getting COVID. So the vaccine for kids is stupid.

    and yes they are vaccinated for other issues but this one is not needed. Kids handle COVID like it was yesterday’s sneeze. We know from personal experience
     
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    Thank you for your impressive reply......
    I admit that I am biased but President Donald J. Trump for all of his many flaws.... WOULD NOT have came up with policies that WOULD DECREASE PRODUCTIVITY...... OR CREATE A SUPPLY CHAIN CRISIS....(but I admit that there are people who on the surface seem to officially to be working for him and for America.... but in actuality they were working for SELF... all in capital letters)!


    I don't think that I am at all ofF topic...
    I think that you are quite bright and you are seeing a glimmer of light off in the distance, (metaphorically speaking)...... and your first reaction is fear.......
    frankly..... admitting that we are significantly incorrect in our world view is one of the scariest possibilities that any of us can face while on this third rock......
     
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    In that case we'll just have to pretend he was not in charge in 2020 when the meltdown occurred. The global supply crises is a direct result of what happened last year, as is the inflation. Personally, I am not too worried about it knowing the US always comes back from bad times no matter who is in charge.

    No, I do not fear, and as an optimist I always see the light, and it is not in a distance. I do not think things are as bad as some would want you to believe (like inflation being part of some evil plan).
     
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    Good points....
    some inflation can be positive and a sign of optimism.......
    pessimism and deflation or even Stagflation..... may be one of the greatest dangers facing us.........

    Like you I am also actually very optimistic.......
     
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    If they really are a teacher, then yes, that's their whole work day. Oh, wait, you're not counting "bus duty" are you?

    Any teacher that has to take papers home to grade or work outside of their hours is not a very good manager of their time.
     

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