Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have not killed game. I have however eaten a lot of meat that was killed by professionals.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am now thinking of buying a Henry Rifle with Lever action. It is not important to me so perhaps I will just look at the catalogue they sent me and buy something other than a new rifle. I own from my former collection a .22 semi automatic pistol and so far have never shot a living thing with it.
    It was owned by my father. And he killed game with this small caliber pistol.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't talk for others so let me talk for myself.
    When I was a Democrat, the only reason was my parents were also Democrats. They would praise democrats and claim republicans are evil and rich as well. For over 4 decades of my life, I really despised republicans. I see Democrats still despise republicans so I was a normal Democrat.
    When I changed parties, I put a lot of thought into this for around 2 years. I had voted for Jimmy Carter. I regret that vote still today.
    I think my oldest daughter due to my being a loyal Democrat still is one. She did not study as I did. I do not bother her over this. Her husband is a republican and I would not tamper with their marriage.
    Chances are my grandsons of my daughters are also Democrats. I asked the oldest boy to tell me but he did not reply. So I shall not ask again.

    Here is my major problem with democrats leadership. I doubt the public truly understands them so the typical democrat is like I used to be and frankly bigots. I was one.

    Studying the works of Thomas Payne hit me in the heart. And so I read a lot more. I studied the book by William E. Simon called A time for Truth. And he sure told the truth. At first I was not believing. I then watched our leaders. And saw that he actually dialed them in. Biden for instance is a loyal Democrat. Trump flip flopped from what others say. But Biden is damaging America. And this being where I live, I truly care about a lot. I accurately describe Democrats as run of the mill Authoritarians. And all one has to do is watch this video to understand why.,

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is very easy to see if a weapon has bullets in it.
     
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    No fan of Donald Trump, but it's curious that Alec Baldwin sought to show how
    stupid Trump is - and now this.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not bigoted against the NRA because of their many training courses to ensure innocents do not die.
    As to things going on politically, they are reacting to all the thousands of times they have been attacked. Sooner or later one defends themselves and that is what the NRA has done.
    Your sage advice should be taught in schools from high school forward. Kids correctly trained in the use of weapons such as guns are less likely to kill than those who are walking around armed and dangerous.
     
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    Baldwin is a killer. And will remain one forever.
     
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    If you are truly asking why, then no amount of explaining would help you understand.

    At the time I made my post I hadn't realized the gun was a revolver. Should be an interesting movie.
     
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    If its an old high standard or Ruger mark 1 keep it clean and oiled.

    Those vintage guns are getting more and more rare.
     
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    I read the gun was a colt single action army.

    And ironically the movie is about a rancher who is accidentally shot and killed.
     
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    It does not make sense. We need more information as to how this happened....We are still speculating. Baldwin killed one person and injured another.

    That is homicide.. How it will pan out legally is to be determined.
     
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    I won't go into the details of your post but rather simply note a couple of points. Firstly my comment was directed at conservatism per se. Secondly peoples political views often change with life experience, political beliefs are learned via experience not inherited.(Although some research suggests personality traits play a role political outlook environment beats heredity.) Also political beliefs are not binary they fall into broad spectrum or more correctly a matrix of positions/opinions on various topics that when mapped via questionnaires can general be placed on a spectrum. This means people can be to the 'right' on one particular topic and to the 'left' on another but in general the more issues you are right or left on the conservative or left wing you tend to be. The problems are caused those at the extreme ends of the spectrum. Not those in between.

    I see the above mirrored on this forum all the time as hyper partisanship paints everyone who disagrees with a stated viewpoint on one issue into opposite political corners that in the real world don't exist! My 'side' good the other side evil. And this problem is caused by the smallbut vocal minority at either end of the political spectrum - the extreme left and the extreme right.

    Lastly? You may regard Democrats as 'run of the mill authoritarians' (well would be ones anyway) but anyone who wants to can point to any number of ostensibly right wing authoritarian governments as well. Yet the fact such governments exist does not invalidate the basic principles of conservatism. Obviously the reverse also applies, holding left wing opinions on say welfare policy does not automatically make someone a fan boy for Cuba or Venezuela!

    Authoritarianism is what you get when the extreme ends of either side of politics capture the reigns of power not when you have healthy democracies with strong constitutions and legal systems that allow for the transition back and forth of power between the two sides of politics as part of a normal political cycle.
     
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    Each to his own ;-)
     
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    I agree everyone should have the right to own the firearms they want for any reason. I even support the right of those involved in the entertainment industry like Baldwin to own or use firearms as they see fit. I just believe Baldwin should be held to the same standards of safety and responsibility as I am. If someone handed me a gun and told me it had blanks in it there’s no way in Hades I’m pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger. And if I did the results would be my responsibility. I would likely end up in the pokey. Baldwin won’t.

    I also never want to have to shoot a person.

    I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum in regards to animals though. :) As a farmer/rancher, society pays me to essentially be a hitman, killing things that have to be killed to ensure they have food without having to kill things themselves. As a result I own firearms that are all used regularly for practical purposes. Someday I may buy guns just for fun—collecting sounds fun. But right now shooting for me is all about the serious business of killing even though I hate the killing part.
     
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    It seems to me the actor is a little bit partially responsible for what happened.
     
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    Baldwin was being a typical Hollywood Liberal and playing around with it like it were a toy, with no respect for safety.
     
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    557, you are exactly correct. To my understanding, they weren't even filming a scene at the time, and the deceased was not even an actor in the movie, so Baldwin must have been goofing around with that gun and pointing it at people, either on purpose or inadvertently, and that is the height of stupidity.
     
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    Mr. Baldwin is NOT responsible for safety of the site.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is a High Standard. Thanks for the advice.
     
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    As a Producer he sure is.
     
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    You might enjoy the Arms Family videos.
     
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    Anyone who handles a gun that can fire something is at least partially responsible for safety.

    Hollywood weapons expert says Alec Baldwin broke No. 1 gun safety rule
    "Loaded or unloaded, a weapon never gets pointed at another human being."

    What he did was not even part of the movie scene or acting he was supposed to do.


    Of course all the typical Hollywood crowd is saying it wasn't his fault and is blaming the existence of guns for this tragedy.
     
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    I didn't say any of that ****.

    But what is crystal clear to anyone who doesn't have their head in the sand is that the left does place politics above all else. And no, it's not comparable with those on the right. The left takes 'politics above all else' to an extreme that they should be embarrassed about.

    Who's more likely to resort to violence over politics?
    Who's more likely to riot and destroy cities over politics?
    Who's more likely to try and end someone's career over politics?

    IT'S NOT THE RIGHT!

    But go on keeping your head in the sand, it's working wonders for your party right now.
     
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