ERs are now swamped with seriously ill patients — but many don’t even have COVIDWhat if......

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  1. Bearack

    Bearack Well-Known Member

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    Plus many hospitals now consider patients who enter that have had their second shot more than six months prior as considered unvaccinated.
     
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    Oh, and mind you that during the FDA discussion over injecting kids 5-11 with the vaccine, they literally stated "But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. ".

    You can let your kids be the Beagles. Not mine!
     
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    Yes, most do which is why medical staffs are quitting in droves refusing the vaccine as they already had the virus.

    Until we know the long term results, its a test vaccine.
     
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    And this statement from the FDA on injecting into our kids literally states a test vaccine!

    "But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. ".
     
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    Yet natural immunity has a history of verifying it is has much more protection than the shot. You like to study some history, well, here ya go.

    This history lesson is a study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August of 2021, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2

    They selected Israel because they have the highest vaccination rate in the world almost 90% using the Phiser vaccine. And here are the actual findings.

    1. The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine

    2. Vaccinated individuals were six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus.

    3. The risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher than those were previously infected with the coronavirus.

    Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine
    https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

    This is why nobody is buying this fake Covid information anymore. There is no reason to vaccinate those who already had Covid yet Biden and Fauci will ignore the real data costing people their livelihoods just to get their way.

    And your immune system doesn't need a booster shot every 6 months either.
     
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    Yeah, and we need to pass this bill so we can find out whats in it.

    Pretty much the song of the left.
     
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    When was the last time you got a booster shot every 6 months for your polio, mumps, chicken pox, or measles vaccine?
     
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    No it doesn't!
     
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    Link please
     
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    Oy vey... There you go letting logic evade you! If only these people had natural immunity!

    Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows

    Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 article from Science that cited national data tracked by Israel's largest health management organization. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies, the report suggests.
     
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    what were they in the ICU for? was covid complicating their ICU treatment, make it take more effort to treat them, more space, ect....
     
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    Forgot that ICUs were never full before Covid. Not.

    How about a bullet care of Alec?
     
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    do you think gun injuries are taking up as many beds as covid?
     
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    Cancer, heart failure, diabetes, all others beat out Covid by a mile. One hospital shut down 3 of 4 floors then complained about Covid patients.
     
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    I was hoping for you to reply with this. Now let's do some stats directly from:

    https://assets.publishing.service.g...t_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf

    https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf

    For the period: 16th August to 29 August 2021 for 50 years and younger:
    Number of deaths of Vaccinated = 13
    Number of deaths of unvaccinated = 27

    BUT: 80%of the population are vaccinated hence 4 times the pool of people translates to:
    Relative number of deaths of Vaccinated = 13
    Relative number of deaths of unvaccinated = 27*4 = 108

    HENCE Unvaccinated 50 years and under are 8 times more likely to die than the vaccinated even with just one dose

    And
    For the period: 16th August to 29 August 2021 for 50 years and older:
    Number of deaths of Vaccinated = 437
    Number of deaths of unvaccinated = 119

    BUT: 88% of that population are vaccinated hence 7.3 times the pool of people translates to:
    Relative number of deaths of Vaccinated = 437
    Relative number of deaths of unvaccinated = 119*7.3 = 868

    HENCE Unvaccinated 50 years and over are nearly twice as likely to die than the vaccinated even with just one dose

    https://assets.publishing.service.g...t_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf

    https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf
     
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    Considering that about half the population has received the clot shots, I wonder why there was no to little mention of the role of that factor in what the article describes?
     
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    Yet you left out natural immunity. Those who already had Covid without getting the vaccine.

    1. The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine

    2. Vaccinated individuals were six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus.

    3. The risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher than those were previously infected with the coronavirus.

    Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine
    https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
     
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    In Chicago, an emphatic yes.
     
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    all complicated by covid
     
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    You want crap? Read post #38.
    "Mutations come from poor vaccines" is beyond hogwash and is full on BS. There is light here though. On the humorous side there is the "Where do you people get this crap".
     
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    Because a large percentage of the population refuse to take the effective vaccines the need for contact tracing, number of cases and (unfortunately) mandates are necessary.
     
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    All complicated by the stupid shutdowns by government.
     
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    When was the last time you got a flu shot? You're comparing apples and oranges. When the vaccine came out, everyone got it so there wasn't a risk of it coming back. See how simple that is.
     
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    yes, the Trump shutdown guidelines were too broad, should have been targeted to areas more at risk of overloading the medical system, we agree there
     

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