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U.S. judge blocks enforcement of near-total abortion ban in Texas

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    They are life, but all organics are life, as well. The issue is not whether zygotes are 'human' but whether they are a 'person'.

    They will become a person, but at what point does organic matter give way to personhood? When does the fetus 'have a soul'?

    That is a philosophical question. That it's life is a biological fact, but that is as far as science can go on that point. The rest is up to philosophy.

    As a practical matter, some line had to be drawn, and it has been in Roe v Wade, 22 or so weeks, and I'm okay with it.

    And don't go by the Bible, there are too many verses which treat the fetus much less than a 'person'. To wit:

    • A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

    • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

    And I'm sure I can find more...
     
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    Persons are human being, the human zygote, embryo, fetus is a human being. That is a biological fact as I have repeatedly shown. Debate religious faith with someone else mine position is based on science.
     
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    I have repeatedly referred to various STAGES of the human life, the baby, that all human life goes through. But since they are all still babies and we are discussing that babies life through ALL those phases and baby is the more common term, this is not a biology course, I use our common language to which you actually object and try to deny. Why do you try so desperately to deny our proper and common English?
     
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    Why do you try so desperately to deny science?
     
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    I'm they only one who has actually quoted it with links why do you deny that?
     
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  6. Polydectes

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    There is still not a ban.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    It's not a ban
     
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    Doesn't interfere with roe v Wade
     
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  10. Patricio Da Silva

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    I never disagreed with 'persons are human'.

    The issue is not 'when does life begin', the issue is, when does a 'person' begin?

    That life begins at conception is a biological fact. But, when that biological life becomes a 'person', that is a philosophical one, outside the realm of science.

    I didn't bring up religion to debate it. I'm not religious.

    But, since ( I suspect) many on the right base their anti-abortion stance on religious grounds, I tossed a few verses in to disabuse those who believe "God hates abortionists" of that myth.. So, just ignore that part.
     
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    The human life begins at conception, that's when the person, the individual human being begins it's life. And you threw biblical quotes at me, why? I have always based my positions on abortion of the science, medical and biological, and my moral and ethical positions about our inherent rights. I wouldn't assume just because someone is pro-life it's because of religious beliefs.
     
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    YOU are disingenuously DENYING the DOCUMENTED FACTS regarding the Republican War AGAINST Women.

    FACTS matter and the fact that YOU could NOT refute a SINGLE aspect of those CREDIBLE sources and INSTEAD chose to use a puerile ad hom says VOLUMES.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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  13. Polydectes

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    My source is the letter of the law no expert can say anything to the contrary because the law is what the law is.
     
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    Not necessarily especially in view of the whole implantation versus fertilisation debate
     
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    Asinine DEFLECTION duly noted! :eek:

    The "letter of the law" has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the REPUBLICAN War AGAINST Women.

    That you CANNOT deal with that DOCUMENTED REALITY says VOLUMES.

    Sad!
     
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    Stating what the law is is a deflection?
     
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    It IS a DEFLECTION from DEALING with the REPUBLICAN War AGAINST Women.
     
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    Science?? NO, you call a ZEF a "baby"...that isn't science....not even close... :)
     
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    So even after 6 weeks , from 6 weeks to 9 months, women are free to get abortions with no legal ramifications???
     
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    I call babies babies in our common and proper language in common language discussions, citing both medical sites and government health sites properly using the term, and zygote, embryo, fetus as STAGES of the baby's life. The life of the human being which began at conception as the science I post proves and you deny.
     
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    There is no such debate in science, the human life begins at conception as I have repeatedly shown from the medical and science textbooks.
     
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    Science?? NO, you call a ZEF a "baby"...that isn't science....not even close... :)

    NO, you call a ZEF a "baby"...that isn't science....not even close.


    So you call seniors toddlers, and adults teenagers....how quaint :)

    And the best part is, what you call the ZEF does NOT matter, it's still legal to kill it:) :) :)


    Call it a "baby" and take your case to the Supreme Court and it won't help your "case" at all :) :) :) :):)
     
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    Yes read the law
     
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    I don't deal with conspiracy theories
     
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    Again, why are you complaining over things the Supreme Court has ruled legal? Can you make it doubly legal?
     
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