Should Biden Mandate that Food Stamp & Welfare Recipients get Vaccinated?

You've shown you don't understand much about the vaccines.

 

Heres what I do know

The Covid vaccine does not immunize you from Covid. It just gives your immune system a head start on antibody production but it does not make you immune.
Vaccines like polio, measles, smallpox, chicken pox give you immunity.

Covid vaccinations are more like a flu shot and need boosters to keep it effective. It doesn't stop you from getting Covid or guarantee you any results from getting Covid.

Individuals who have already had Covid that survived its 98.7% survival rate, have much better immunity than any Covid vaccination currently and doesn't pose any risk as the Covid vaccination does.

We now know this because the most recent test in the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2 with over 2.5 million participants conducted in the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated country in the world. Israel with over 88% vaccinated with the Pfiser shot.

Charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August of 2021, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel.

And what was their findings?

1. Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than the vaccine

2. Never-infected people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus

3. The risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated than the previously infected

4. The risk of hospitalization eight times higher among vaccinated than those previously infected

Sorry, your Covid vaccine isn't quite the savior you thought it was.

https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

 

Even dumber sounding.

 

No, they should not.

 

The question remains; aside from the survival rate, what is the rate of people who survive covid, yet have life-long issues such as cardiac, kidney, respiratory and other issues that plague them long term or for the remainder of their lives?

 

The same as anyone else who gets Covid. If there are long term effects of Covid, having the vaccination wouldn't protect from those.
I would say the likelihood of long term effects from Covid would be as remote as the flu

 

The biggest problem with your thinking is you seem to think the vaccine is more dangerous than covid. The vaccine is much, much safer than getting covid. Confident of that from the numbers I've seen. Would even suspect it is safer to get a covid booster after infection than not doing so because the risk of vaccination is so low.

 

I wouldn't go that far, Golem.

Reason: R v W is predicated on 'privacy' and 'bodily autonomy' right?

Therefore, I can't see how one can support R v W and support a law that makes it illegal to refuse vaccinations.

Mandates aren't making it illegal, they give you a choice, vax or get tested, or find work at less than 100 workforce or non gov job.

So, I don't see mandates conflicting with bodily autonomy, as long as it is not illegal to refuse vaccination

Even schools give a choice, vax or home school.

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Not at all. The information I provided actually states if you already had Covid and take the vaccine, you will have better immunity than if you were only pre infected.
Nothing in that report claims the vaccine is dangerous. And if you have not had Covid and have any immunity problems at all, you should get the vaccine ASAP.

 

Not even the polio vaccine is 100% after two doses.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html

No one claims the covid vaccines are 100% effective.

Unvaccinated covid positives who get a single dose of an mRNA vaccine are 50% less likely to get covid again.

People don't want to risk catching covid so they can build immunity, especially older people who might stand a 10+% chance of dying.

Some of what you think you know is wrong.

 

The covid vax doesn't give a 1.3% chance of death, but Covid does.
If you get the vax, your chances of dying from the vax are practically non existent.
If you get the vax and then get covid, your chances of dying are practically nonexistent.
If you get the vax, and then you get covid, and live, your immunity will be even stronger than one or the other.
Covid means your chances of myocarditis is much higher than getting the vax.

Having Covid increases your chance of dying, and/or getting myocarditis many fold over if you get the shot, and then get covid.

If you get the shot, and then get covid, you will not die, but if you do not get the shot, and get covid, you could die.

There is little downside to getting the shot. 100s of millions of shots have been given.

In other words, covid or no covid, your best chance at survival is to get the shot, and the website you linked to so states.

It's standard knowledge in immunology that getting a disease produces better immunity than a vaccine.

But the whole point of a vaccine is to not get the disease in the first place.

If everyone in America got the disease, with no shots, far more people would die on the journey to herd immunity,
than would die on the journey to herd immunity with the vax.

that means your chances of dying are much greater than if you do not get the vax.

Getting the vaccine will greatly increase the odds of not getting the disease, though there is some breakthrough.

If you DO get covid, and you were vaccinated, you will not die. If you do get covid and are vaccinated, not only will you not die, but your immunity will be even stronger than just getting either.

IF you do get covid, and you were vaxxed, well, very few die after being vaccinated and getting covid, and very view are ICU'd.

All of the covid deaths are non vaccinated people.

I did not find that quote in your link. Please provide the source.

Nevermind, it's been debunked as a hoax

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...develop-covid-symptoms-than-unvaccinated.html

Debunked as a hoax, see above.

Your link supports getting the vaccination, and only one of your quotes is in the link, which only tells us that covid produces
better immunity than the vax. But that doesn't negate the fact that your chances of dying are much greater when you get covid than if you get the shot. .

Did you even read the link?
In another analysis, the researchers compared more than 14,000 people who had a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and were still unvaccinated with an equivalent number of previously infected people who received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The team found that the unvaccinated group was twice as likely to be reinfected as the singly vaccinated.

All the data points to getting the shot is better than not getting it.

 

You're comparing Polio vaccines to Covid vaccines? Please

That was never claimed and as a matter of fact, its claimed NOT to go get infected instead of getting the vaccine.
Which means you didn't read the report.

What it means is you didn't read the report. I didn't provide my assumptions or what I think. I ONLY provided the actual findings of the study.

 

The Covid vaccine doesn't immunize you or stop you from getting Covid.

Did you really just make those two statements together?

You can't debunk actual findings.

Your own link is a hoax and making false claims NOT in the report. Your fake link states
Does a study find vaccinated patients are 27 times more likely to develop COVID symptoms than unvaccinated? No, that's not true:

Thats not what the study claims. The study claims vaccinated individuals are 27 times more likely to develop COVID symptoms than individuals who already had Covid and have better immunity. Not just unvaccinated. CLAIM DEBUNKED for making claims out of context

FALSE, Every point I made is in the report. They are copied and pasted EXACTLY as quoted in the report.
1. Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than the vaccine
2. Never-infected people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus
3. The risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated than the previously infected
4. The risk of hospitalization eight times higher among vaccinated than those previously infected

Nothing in the report is anti vax or telling you the vax is bad. As a matter of fact, the study shows if you already had Covid, and have better immunity than the vaccination, if you take the vaccine after infection it will even increase your immunity even more.

The report is clear. If you had Covid, you have better immunity than the vaccine.

 

All I said is that even the polio vaccine isn't 100% after two doses. You brought up the polio vaccine in the first place, so the link was yours.

 

Polio vaccines are for life. When was the last time you had to go to the doctor to get your Polio vaccine booster every 6 months

 

We don't know how often boosters may be necessary.

 

We know this isn't a vaccine. Its the same thing as a flu shot. Now you can get it in pill form.

 

No, I dont think the vaccine should be required for anything associated with the govt (private companies should be able to associate -or not- freely).

But its a good point.

 

The vaccinated do that too...

 

Your stats have nothing to do with the spread of the virus. They only have to do with hospitalizations and deaths. Vaccinated people spread the virus.

 

No. You're flat wrong.

 

That doesn't have anything to do with what we were talking about. The vaccinated spread the virus at the same rate that the unvaccinated do.

 

Ahhhhh, now you finally admit that the vaccinated spread the virus. The other part of what you said is only true to a point. Yes, if you are sick with Covid you would theoretically spread the virus for a longer time to others than the vaccinated do but that is only assuming that these people are out and about spreading the virus. For the most part, once you get sick, you are no longer out and about spreading the virus. This is why temperature checks that were very common were pretty much useless and hardly ever caught anyone. This is because by the time you develop a fever, etc., you are sick and stay home and are no longer spreading the virus because you aren't out to spread the virus. Which means that the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are out there spreading the virus for similar amounts of time.

 

The vaccines cut the risk of catching and then potentially spreading covid.

Laughable nonsense.

 

Somebody sold you a bags of goods. There is no evidence or data for any long term effects for either Covid or the vaccine. Yet you would swear to it.
How did someone sell you on this when no data exist?
And who sold you on the idea that getting the vaccine cuts your risk of getting Covid? It doesn't cut your risk. All the vaccine does is jump start your immune system to lessen the effects.
Everybody on the planet will contract Covid at some point and time. No vaccine will stop you from getting Covid.