Black People Need a Safe State in America—Let’s Make It Georgia

Yeah, because up until this century we were largely still building up our infrastructure. We need hands and backs. Anyone and everyone could get in. It’s the same reason we took slaves.

 

I fail to see how my statement caused you confusion, but let’s move on.

Immigration would help alleviate the negative impacts of their negative birth rate. If you want to see ethnically Japanese people dwindle into nothing, societal collapse is a good way to get there.

 

OK if you can't do the math from your own statements, I agree we should move on since I don't see how else to communicate with you.

 

1) No, it's the other way around. The dysfunction comes FIRST. All things are exacerbated by dysfunction. And here's the confounder of the fantasy that people can't help it - dysfunction is a choice. We know when we're behaving like narcisstic babies, but some of us just choose not to care. Our vices are more important to us than our kids.

2) LOL. Dude, I'm one of the only two actual socialists in this joint. I don't think you have any idea what socialim is, if you think social responsibility/obligation (to behave and contribute) is a capitalist notion. Capitalism is the only model which actually allows people to reject that obligation - because it's the only model which affords a Welfare State.

3) There's only the evidence of billions of very poor humans to prove you wrong, but you do you. If you prefer to believe that fat first worlders are so horrifically oppressed they have to sell drugs to survive, go for it. No doubt there's some kind of pay off in choosing such a patent nonsense - and I doubt that payoff has anything to do with caring about the poor.

 

It’s not a matter of doing the math. Breakdown the statement and how my communication caused confusion. I’m not in your head. I don’t know how you think.

Feel free to address the actual point of my post if you like.

 

What is your definition of socialism exactly? If you’re claiming you’re one of only two actual socialists, I’m curious as to what your answer might be.

 

Most of the people pushing this aren't black they are old school Marxist across the human rainbow using there usual divide and conquer strategy

 

Let's make it THE UNITED STATES!

 

Agreed. There is precedent for public spaces to become private. Govt sometimes sells property. In theory, public spaces could be taken over with the consent of local citizens and their local govt, allowing for those spaces to be available only for the locals. I don't think this is a good idea either, but it would be legal, and in the grand scheme.

 

The Greenwood District of Tulsa, was the most affluent part of the city, and it was completely razed by the white citizens of Tulsa.

https://www.tulsahistory.org/exhibit/1921-tulsa-race-massacre/

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The Attack on Greenwood
The 1921 Attack on Greenwood was one of the most significant events in Tulsa’s history. Following World War I, Tulsa was recognized nationally for its affluent African American community known as the Greenwood District. This thriving business district and surrounding residential area was referred to as “Black Wall Street.” In June 1921, a series of events nearly destroyed the entire Greenwood area...

At the eruption of violence, civil officials selected many men, all of them white and some of them participants in that violence, and made those men their agents as deputies. In that capacity, deputies did not stem the violence but added to it, often through overt acts that were themselves illegal. Public officials provided fire arms and ammunition to individuals, again all of them white. Units of the Oklahoma National Guard participated in the mass arrests of all or nearly all of Greenwood’s residents.

They removed them to other parts of the city, and detained them in holding centers. Entering the Greenwood district, people stole, damaged, or destroyed personal property left behind in homes and businesses. People, some of them agents of government, also deliberately burned or otherwise destroyed homes credibly estimated to have numbered 1,256, along with virtually every other structure — including churches, schools, businesses, even a hospital and library — in the Greenwood district. Despite duties to preserve order and to protect property, no government at any level offered adequate resistance, if any at all, to what amounted to the destruction of the Greenwood neighborhood. Although the exact total can never be determined, credible evidence makes it probable that many people, likely numbering between 100-300, were killed during the massacre.

Not one of these criminal acts was then or ever has been prosecuted or punished by government at any level: municipal, county, state, or federal...

Historically, it has been called the Tulsa Race Riot. Some say it was given that name at the time for insurance purposes. Designating it a riot prevented insurance companies from having to pay benefits to the people of Greenwood whose homes and businesses were destroyed. It also was common at the time for any large-scale clash between different racial or ethnic groups to be categorized a race riot.

What do YOU think?

Definition of RIOT: a tumultuous disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled together and acting with common intent. Definition of MASSACRE: the act or an instance of killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

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The Tulsa race massacre took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents, some of whom had been deputized and given weapons by city officials,[12] attacked Black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma, US... the event is considered one of "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history".[16] The attackers burned and destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the neighborhood – at the time one of the wealthiest Black communities in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".[17]...

About 10,000 Black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property (equivalent to $32.65 million in 2020). Many survivors left Tulsa, while Black and white residents who stayed in the city largely kept silent about the terror, violence, and resulting losses for decades. The massacre was largely omitted from local, state, and national histories.

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I'll admit that I may be wrong on the number, but as far as I'm aware there are only two. There are a few who claim to be socialist, but they're strictly the Chardonnay variety - LARPing capitalists.

And it's not my definition - it's what is and always has been. Work to eat. IOW if you don't work, you don't eat. Every member of the collective is obliged to pull their own weight - plus a bit extra for the lean times and for those too old or sick to work.

 

and then some. but western civilization has some attractive features. i like science as a problem solving method, and math as a logical system. the "individual" is an artifact of the western enlightenment. but these are all minority trends in the west, and are little valued in the west's economic systems which value piracy and extraction over the environment and sustainability. i could go on.

failed institutions of the west include family, religion, education, economics, agriculture, environment, art, justice. perhaps you can think of a few.

 

greenwood was only one of many similar events in the post ww i south, events which began in reconstruction and continued through the 20th century.

 

the 1% in this country are robbing us blind

 

Herschel!

Black republicans to the rescue....

 

You are the global 1%.

 

I’ll take illegals and refugees over the Trumpists anytime. At least they are not a bunch of whiney little sissies. Florida is a sweaty reclaimed swamp and Texas is a huge mud hole full of Water Moccasins, Coral Snakes, mosquitoes the size of parakeets and knee deep red mud. I’d trade those two shitholes for Baja California and Sonora any day.

 

and we rob guatamalans whenever we scan a bunch of bananas. we rob nigerians and arabs at the gas pump.

as members pf this "global 1%" we are accessories to the crimes of our corporations and the governments they control. .

 

And very soon they would be the shittiest shithole state in the history of the world. They would have to build walls to keep people IN

 

Nah. Blacks are pushing for their own desired segregation as well.

 

Let's make it an island instead, FAR offshore.

 

Detroit says hi.

 

Very few of them. Remember the talking heads you see on TV represent very few actual human beings.

 

It's that word that some claim eludes them. The word 'earn'.

While an environment might be full of violence and crime, making the choice to not participate in it leaves you time to 'earn' a living, no matter how little it maybe. And for most, each week you can learn something new at that low paying job, that can help push you forward, and away from violence and crime. Unfortunately, too many people say "they can't" instead of giving it a try. Not everyone will succeed, but as the old cliche says, you won't know until you try.

 

From the OP: How can black people ever be secure in America? Wow, where to begin with that one.

I didn't read all the responses here, so excuse me if someone already pointed out just how many blacks are getting killed by other blacks in cities like Chicago. Are black Chicagoans thus going to segregate themselves from one another?

But I do agree with the segregation of the races if its not done in a forced manner. There's a reason why mostly blacks live in Roxbury, Ma., or live in Harlem, N.Y.---because they feel more comfortable and perhaps more safe living among their own. Same goes for Chinatowns across the nation where they're almost entirely populated by Chinese people. Now if we can just find a way to segregate pro American conservatives from the political communists among us--everything will be hunky dory.