I believe we now have conclusive proof that Trump caused 1/6

The proof are the many texts to Meadows trying to get him to get Trump to stop the riot.

How is this proof?

It was a well known fact, by his staff, his kids, by republicans in congress and the senate, they all knew that he was the only person who could stop it, as they knew his fans would follow his every word, that his word was their command, and that is why they pushed him to stop the insurrection (or whatever you want to call it).

The very fact everyone on his staff, including senators and congresspersons, sent Meadows a text to get him to stop it, because they know his flock does what he says.

His staff, his kids, republicans in congress and the senate, all believed his words could stop it. Proof of that is in their texts to Meadows. That this is true, then from where else do they get the idea that his words could stop it if it weren't a fact that his words started it?

That simple fact is what gives everyone the idea that he can stop it merely with a command to stop, because it was his words that started it. His fans do what he tells them to do.

And, of course, 187 minutes after it started, he stopped it, finally.

I say this is proof.

Agree or disagree?

 

Disagree.

 

I'm not sure that this is proof. You can't really prove something like this. It's not like you can catch him casting a magic riot spell

We know he caused it, albeit indirectly. He didn't flat out tell anyone to go riot there. But he did spend 2 months stoking up people's anger with nonsense fraud narratives.

Honestly I don't think anyone, even his supporters though they keep it to themselves, think he wasn't the cause. They know too. We all do.

Where everyone differs is whether he should be held accountable for it. Obviously his supporters present a united front of No, he should not. His opponents unsurprisingly take the opposite view.

In my opinion, he created and fed the atmosphere that directly led to 1/6. He did so in an attempt to push a phony narrative to try and keep power to protect his own ego. I also don't believe for a second that he meant for people to actually storm Congress. I doubt he expected it either. I think he is guilty of the equivalent here of criminally negligent manslaughter. There was no intent to cause a riot but harm was done through the chronically reckless and negligent actions of Donald Trump.

The folks I'm kind of interested to find are those who support him but accept Trump's responsibility for the riot, and those who don't support him but have no problem with what he did.

Those are the folks with the interesting positions.

 

I have never supported Trump, never voted for him. But I do not hold him directly responsible for the protest and riot of Jan 6.

There were lots of folks protesting and rioting that day. Some just there for the fun of chaos, some instigators, and most genuinely outraged by what they viewed as a rigged, fraudulent election. They were not there to destroy democracy, they were there to defend democracy.

 

Trump is dumb like a fox. He truly is the con man of con men. He has been all of his life and he's got his minions believing whatever he wants them to believe. Suspecting he was going to lose the election he started the verbiage early on that the only way he could lose is if 'they' stole the election. That tactic alone has paid off for him in the millions of dollars, Four more years of his leadership would destroy our country. Makes me glad to be 87.

 

Okay Trump screwed up. But what about Obama..... was he guilty of inciting violence against Republicans in 2008? Pretty inflammatory if you ask me.





https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...hey-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun

 

It's certainly proof he could have stopped it earlier. I think that's as much as you'll ever get The Following to admit to.

 

If I have read this correctly and even if we accept your belief that he could have stopped it as evidenced by your assertion that it is a well known fact he could have, you are asserting that the notion that he did not stop it means that he caused it. Is that a correct summation of your position?

Stopping and causing are two entirely different actions. Conflating them to be the same thing does not make any sense.

I disagree. This is yet another example of you starting a thread acting as if you have stumbled upon something and drawn a new conclusion when we all know your conclusions long before you behave as if you just stumbled upon them.

 

I don’t understand why leftists think Americans who were outraged by the obvious vote fraud on 2020 were motivated only by what Trump said. Do they have that little respect for people who disagree with them?

 

Unless, of course, one knows the definition of those terms.

 

That is not proof. I really hope you aren’t a lawyer.

 

Well, trump's attempts to subvert the election results started on November 4. His self-serving demagoguery and his attempts to get election officials in many states to change the outcome of their election results all contributed to whipping up the useful idiots who stormed the Capitol to overturn the election results.
There is no doubt, and history has already recorded, that trump tried to stage a coup and incited an insurrection to keep himself in power after losing the election.
Thankfully, he draws his supporters from the poorly educated, so they were too incompetent to pull it off successfully.

 

For people who think that trump actually won yes we do.

 

Agree.

 

Truly, I am shocked. Shocked! I cannot believe that you, of all people, came to the conclusion that Trump caused the riot that happened on January 6th, 2021. I mean, I just can't believe it. I now have to question everything. Everything! Even my most well-considered, well-grounded, intimate thoughts and beliefs. You, the poster who has blown January 6th out of proportion, being consistently hyperbolic in your rhetoric on the subject, just like the rest of the leftist and ruling class in this country. You, the person who has been so virulently anti-Trump and so passionately prolific in that aim, including holding onto the well-debunked Trump-Russia collusion narrative to this day. It just--oh!--it just doesn't make sense that you would come to such a conclusion!

 

I believe we now have conclusive proof that Trump caused 1/6

Good news. Now we can move on to something else.

 

Criminal prosecution.

 

That is proof of nothing. He should have done more to stop it, but that is hardly proof that he started it.

 

No. Completely wrong. I will repeat what I wrote:

His staff, his kids, republicans in congress and the senate, all believed his words could stop it. Proof of that is in their texts to Meadows. That this is true, then from where else could they possibly get the idea that his words could stop it if it weren't a fact that his words started it?

Answer: They can't, the only place they got the idea from was because his words started it, thus his flock were literally under his command, and thus only he could stop it, hence the many texts to Meadow asking him to get Trump to stop it.

See? the only place they got the idea he could stop it is because his words started it. Proof of that are the many texts to Meadow asking Meadow to get Trump to stop it.

Proof that he cold stop it, well, I'll repeat what I wrote:

And, of course, 187 minutes after it started, he stopped it, finally, with a video issuing a verbal command, and it was over.

Capiche?

Your misunderstanding is corrected, above.

 

You claim he has all of this control over his followers. Per your own words, if he has all this control over his followers, if he said stop, they would stop whether he started it or not.

You are really grasping at straws.

 

What terms?

Please, in the future, stop it with asking your readers to read your mind.

 

1:10 p.m.
Around the end of his speech, Trump returns to the idea of fighting for the country and urged those assembled to walk to the Capitol.


2:33 p.m.
C-SPAN reports rioters have crossed Statuary Hall, the chamber that separates the House and Senate, heading for the House and Senate.

2:38 p.m.
Trump tweets, "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!"

 

Your so called "correction" is nothing more than a distinction without relevance. Fine, so you want to go with the slightly different wording...

"Proof of that is in their texts to Meadows That this is true, then from where else could they possibly get the idea that his words could stop it if it weren't a fact that his words started Proof of that is in their texts to Meadows.it? "


It is the same false equivalence being employed, only in slightly different clothing. Even if we assume that he had every ability to stop it at any point and that numerous people texted him to stop it, that in no way provides "proof" that he started it.

My original reply stands regardless of the meaningless distinction in wording describing your same OP...

Stopping and causing are two entirely different actions. Conflating them to be the same thing does not make any sense.

I disagree. This is yet another example of you starting a thread acting as if you have stumbled upon something and drawn a new conclusion when we all know your conclusions long before you behave as if you just stumbled upon them.

 

1. www.newsweek.com › fact-check-did-trump-sayFact Check: Did Trump Say to 'Peacefully and Patriotically ...
   Jan 14, 2021 · The president did say that the crowd was going to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol. After the attack, Trump said he does not condone violence. However, it does not necessarily mean...
   
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So we have Trump telling his followers to go peacefully and patriotically to the Capital and protest. We also have him tweeting 80 min later Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!".

Now I do think Trump's words started the riots. I don't believe he planned it or wanted it. But I do think it was enough to set off some high strung supporters to break in. I also think some people came there wanting to start trouble.