This happened in my neighborhood ...

My wife is one of those who still refuse the vaccine after getting COVID. I still support her decision because it’s her choice not mine

 

Hardly anyone thinks Covid is a hoax. We think your confidence in the notion that y'all have the solution is a hoax

 

Yeah, ....I don't know about that one. Maybe, but...common sense isn't really that common.

 

Can you share with me *any* topic or issue or concern that does not have opposing viewpoints?

 

It's not insane. People instinctively know that the entire Covid response is built on a lie (that it has natural origins). People are subconsciously detecting that lie, and once that trust with the authorities is broken, they fill the void with all sorts of ideas. The "deniers" are those that refuse to accept that a group of humans created this calamity, and all world governments are attempting to conceal it.

 

~ More theatrics, drama and exaggeration. Hollywood Screen Actors Guild could use the script ! $

 

Why wouldn't it have natural origins? Every pathogenic virus in the wild today has natural origins, and coronaviruses are very common. Any other time in history, people would "instinctively know" that they were being punished by God or some other such nonsense, but because it's the modern era and science has some understanding of viruses, now the more paranoid people "instinctively know" that it's part of some conspiracy.

 

The chances of this coronavirus naturally originating within a couple of miles of the primary lab in the world that studies coronaviruses is astronomically low. But I acknowledge it is possible. That small chance needs to be eliminated. And it can be by carefully examining the words and actions of the players associated with the lab, since the outbreak. I have. And I have found them wanting in integrity regarding this issue. It is this, combined with the aforementioned coincidence that confirms lab origin.

 

You're interpreting facts in a biased manner. It's obvious you want this to be of artificial origin. I wonder why that is, though?

No one who has examined this virus has indicated that it appears to have an artificial origin. That would be apparent from the genetic structure.

This leaves you with one of two choices -- continuing to be biased and assuming that virologists around the world are all lying about it, which is absurd and on the level of the moon landing hoax conspiracy theory, or accepting the fact that it has a natural origin, regardless of whether or not it also happened to get loose from a lab in China. That is always a possibility, but that doesn't make it a virus of some artificial origin.

 

I am thinking from a bias of security. And your claims of a scientific consensus on the matter are incorrect. We have the FOIA Fauci emails to show that even a virologist in his inner circle suspected it was engineered. The former head of the CDC suspects lab origin.

Btw am I expected to believe that this virus infected a single animal within a species, and then adapted to infect humans within that single host, as we have yet to discover any host animal population where this virus could have originally been circulating?

 

~ This is ridiculous. I suggest you do more research with different sources of information. Look beyond network news and stay off Google.

 

Clearly, you are not even trying to understand what happened or how viruses find their way to new kinds of hosts. It only takes one lucky mutation out of the countless mutations that occur as a virus reproduces for it to become capable of infecting a human host and the fortune to then encounter a human host. Most likely there are more viruses out in the wild that could infect humans, but which have yet to encounter a human host, infect said human successfully, and then manage to spread to enough other humans to become widespread.

Once this virus did manage to get this far, then it had all the opportunity it needed to mutate further and become the menace that it is today.

 

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No. I'll stick to trustworthy sources of information that rely on science and facts. You should give it a try.

 

So this developed differently than other pandemics? Because in those, it appears that they can be traced back to certain animal populations (fleas, birds, monkeys, etc.), NOT occurring within a single member of a species that remained unidentified. I could be incorrect, and you may be aware of such a contagion.

 

The former head of the CDC doesn't count? Jon Stewart?

 

~ I guess you did not see this .. ?

 

Yeah, that's why I pointed out the origins of previous pandemics. All sources agree. Origin was in populations. Not 1 individual which was never found.

 

~ I suppose that "we" are all in the dark scientifically because we search too much for information, facts and multiple sources. Like with CO2 climate catastrophe, fossil fules and the impending dangers of nuclear power.

~ No thanks. I can do without your source of "facts" and pseudo science opinions from "experts ".

 

Look up the words “zoonotic viruses”




Etc etc etc

https://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ajava.2010.77.92

There are waaay more zoonotic infections than you would believe but most of them are mosquito or blood borne - what makes COVID different is it airborne







Yeah and there is a reason why bats are implicated in so many of these diseases

 

No, I'd say this developed as all pandemics do -- a virus or other potential pathogen develops a mutation that makes it able to infect humans and cause disease, that mutation spreads through the host population, and eventually it manages to come into contact with humans through at least one member of that population and cause a pandemic in humans. That could mean a lot of death and suffering, such as we have seen with this pandemic and with the Spanish Flu and the Bubonic Plague, among countless others, or it could mean a relatively benign new disease. The common cold is caused by many different virus strains, and there are a lot of flu varieties as well. This new virus is likely to become a host of different strains that will never go away completely, and new strains will evolve to spread more efficiently and maybe, hopefully, be less deadly in the process, kind of like how Omicron has already done to a certain extent.

Regarding the population that this virus came from: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2

Closest known relatives of virus behind COVID-19 found in Laos
Studies of bats in China and Laos show southeast Asia is a hotspot for potentially dangerous viruses similar to SARS-CoV-2.

Scientists have found three viruses in bats in Laos that are more similar to SARS-CoV-2 than any known viruses. Researchers say that parts of their genetic code bolster claims that the virus behind COVID-19 has a natural origin — but their discovery also raises fears that there are numerous coronaviruses with the potential to infect people.

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And I'm sure there are other viruses lurking in other wild animal populations that could infect us, too. We just aren't likely to know about them until they cause a problem for us or maybe our pets or livestock, unfortunately.

I don't know what you're getting at with this talk of "a single member of a species that remained unidentified." That's quite a challenge, tracking the start of a pandemic down to one individual contact.

 

What caused the Spanish Flu" virus?

 

Different Corona viruses (mutations) are naturally originating every second of the day. Astronomically high number of them have mutated to a form that never see daylight "alive". The original virus was investigated at Wuhan but only because they had the facilities there. First cases may have occurred thousands of miles away where no one suspected that this person who suddenly became ill was due to the c19 virus. There are reports that the c19 virus was found in water treatment centres in Spain and Italy in 2019 months before anyone heard of C19

 

Also things like China and the world health organization lying to the world about transmissibility on top of China banning domestic travel but allowing its citizens to hop on airplanes and spread out across the globe contributes to the skepticism

 

What caused the Spanish Flu virus?

Oh and, Trump banned Chinese from flying to the US but still allowed Americans to fly to and from China as many times as they liked during this so called ban

 

The OP said this happened to an acquaintance of an acquaintance.

Also, I didn't get the same vibe you did. There isn't really anything "personal" or something one would tell someone in confidence. In fact, I didn't even read it as detailed. To me, it actually sounds like OP heard from an acquaintance about this other person dying and may have had some of the blanks filled in by that person. Further, when someone loses a loved one, especially in our current climate of not being able to get ahead of the variants, they are usually just going through the motions just to hold it together. His spouse or kids could have easily filled in the blanks.

Do you have any additional information that would suggest the OP is fabricating this? If not, and I don't mean to step on your toes, but it's kind of mean to imply that he's lying.