House Dems pass NASA bill sending voting rights to certain Senate end

Which why I added the qualifier. I'm ok with felons not voting - it's part of the punishment for breaking the law.

Of course it does!

Weak sauce man. What part of the constitution is against mail in voting?

 

Off topic again. And corps don't pay taxes, they just collect them.

 

Right, we are digressing. The tactic is disgusting and needs to be outlawed.

 

I get the argument. They put in the time so why not give them back their rights. I’ve heard it before. That felons should get all their rights back. If you are just going to pick voting then you really don’t want them to have rights you just want them to vote your way.

if you give them back their rights violent criminals will have access to guns, pedophiles will have access to schools, rapists will have access to their victims. Why not right? They served the time.

 

1. Invalid thread title by rule in a thread about following rules.... that there is pretty funny
2. Why are you afraid of debate?
3. Yes, this will still fail, but at least people will finally be on the record... Never a bad thing.
4. This NASA thing was done just a few months ago for debt ceiling.... it's a stupid concept, but it's allowed

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Worth noting: This wonky process is similar to the strategy Congress used last month to quickly take up and eventually pass a debt limit increase and avoid a default.
ENDSNIP

https://www.axios.com/schumer-loophole-elections-reform-fa66e1d0-8e1d-4b05-96a2-ffdfa650a068.html

 

as was the post I replied too, yet, you're silent, stop attacking me, I am not the topic

 

I stand by the title of this thread, as I absolutely consider this sort of move as cheating. So much so that I am absolutely going to contact my Congress Critters and insist that something be done, because this should not be legal. If you and I have a contract, and I copy and paste the meat of the contract, leaving only the original title, the new meat and your signature at the bottom, it would be something that I could be jailed for doing. Same thing SHOULD be true here.

That's an odd thing to say considering I just posted it on a political debate forum, and did not say any such thing in my OP.

It should still not be allowed. As for "the record", only someone blind, deaf, and dumb doesn't know where everyone stands here. I disagree with Sinema about the voting "rights" bill itself, but at least she realizes that changing the filibuster rules is bigger and more significant than this one bill.

It should not be. A NASA bill should be about NASA, and that should (but doesn't) include all riders and amendments, because that is how you get mongo, 2,500 or 5,000 page bills like "Build Back Bankrupt" that nobody has ever read, that "we gotta pass it to see what's in it", and that contains everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink in the first place.

 

Your thread title got modified and dinged.... learn from that experience.

I meant why are you afraid of the Senate debating voting rights (which they actually seem to be doing right now on C-SPAN)... I'll take that ding for being unclear.

The current filibuster rule is moronic and highly undemocratic. The filibuster should mean timed delay, not full stop.... And everybody should have to vote on things instead of head counts and media comments... that's not the way a government should run...

Cannot disagree that bills are too big and unread.... sort of like the T**** Tax scam of 2017 (which has already been mentioned more than once in today's debate). But the voting rights bills are NOT BBB...

 

They will only do what benefits the party. Same as Dems. Dems are not concerned with making it easier for one to exercise their rights; they are concerned with gaining/maintaining power. How about voters produce 3 forms of ID, undergo a background check, pay a voter tax, and come back 10 days later to finish? Would you support that?

 

if your gonna make the thread about this in your opening post "This only goes to prove that the 2021 Democratic Party is perhaps the single most corrupt political entity to ever exist in the USA"

then that opens the door to compare it to Trump and his party, as Trumpism was the single most corrupt political entity to ever exist in the USA

so please.... stop it

 

But but it was easier back then to vote. lol......

 

Why would I support that?

 

felons no, but ex-felons should have the same constitutional rights as anyone else

"same day registrations I won’t be okay with though."

I have no issue with those with proper ID (especially with republicans purging voter registrations before an election)

 

You brought up our ex-President in the first few posts of this thread's existence, which annoyed the crap out of me because I'm sick and tired of him being brought into every single thread on this forum, including many, many ones unrelated to him, so I chastised you, but it wasn't in any way even remotely categorizable as an "attack" so stop whining. If you'd actually like to discuss the OP, please feel free to do so, but it seems the thread may already be successfully hijacked since the left doesn't really want to discuss what I originally brought it up, so they've pivoted elsewhere. I understand why they might want to do that, as what is being done by and for them (and you) is undeniably disgusting and abhorrent, but it seems you are either incapable or unwilling to discuss anything that is not about the ex-President.

 

The easier You make it to vote the easier you make it to cheat and that is what democrats are hoping for

 

Your party supports that when it comes to my second amendment rights!

 

So violent criminals get their 2nd back?
Child abusers can be around schools?

no I don’t think so. This was even something our founders found fitting in their debates.

 

Not at all. The easier it is to vote, the more citizens will vote. That is what Republicans are afraid of.

 

if they have done their time, yes

now, I would argue that some crimes need longer sentences, sentencing is where you punish people

should ex-felons be denied free speech and religion too?

it's a right, not a privilege... if you have to have the privilege to have a right, it's no longer a right

 

Reasonable restrictions can be placed on felons after they are released. Restrictions on firearms would be a reasonable restriction for some felons.
But there is no logical reason to deny ex-felons the right to vote or (for example) the right to remain silent if they are arrested again.

Frankly, there is no logical connection between removing their right to vote and their felony conviction, even while they are in prison.

 

your opening post set the tone of the thread,

you said ""This only goes to prove that the 2021 Democratic Party is perhaps the single most corrupt political entity to ever exist in the USA""

that opens the door to much debate about previous administrations like Trump's Corrupt administration

next time you start a thread, be more careful not to attack entire groups and limit it to what you want to discuss in your opening post

 

You have to do that every time you get out your gun?

 

This is typically a libertarian view. It has only recently caught on in the mainstream left. Our founders even spoke about this scenario in deliberations. I disagree they should ever get them back. They don’t deserve them. But you can still get them back as it is now. I know an ex felon that can get a gun, this same ex felon can also vote. So there is a path it’s just hard, as it should be. The left want to hand these rights back right away. This will result in more violence. It will also have little effect on the vote count. They don’t deserve those rights just handed back to them. They can go about it the hard way I know another did.

 

I do not think a family should lose their rights to own a gun to protect themselves cause someone in the household stole a car when they were a teen or something

that is not the way 'rights' are meant to work, may as well make our rights like getting a drivers license then if we do not want them to be rights anymore

 

I can agree here but as far as I know that’s not how it works. You can buy a gun still if a felon lives with you. That question is not even on the federal papers it takes to purchase a firearm