is homosexuality genetic or is it learned behavior?

this question has come up before, suggested most recently in a tthread by @xxjeff.

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i don't know. some scientists claim to have discovered the "gay gene," but more research raises doubt ...

No ‘gay gene’: Massive study homes in on genetic basis of human sexuality (nature.com)

even if Xq28 is not the determinant of male sexuality, could the real marker exist but not yet be isolated?

how would genetics explain identical twins with divergent sexuality? what about straight men confined in prisons or boarding schools? how about gay men who finally meet the "right woman?"

what does any of this matter? is the entire "nature vs nurture" controvery (on this subject) just a culture war battle between conservatives who want total control of love and sexuality and individuals who just want to be left alone?

 

I think it is perfectly clear that there is some level that that we are born with (which isn't necessarily about just a single gene or marker), albeit obviously coming to the fore later. Sexuality in general is an integral aspect of the individual after all, so it makes sense that variations in those elements can be integral too. I'm sure there are environmental aspects too, again, as there will be with sexuality in general and indeed overall character in general. I would equate it to taste in food or music. There will be fundamental physical aspects of our taste and hearing which will impact our preferences but childhood experiences of food and music are clearly relevant too.

Another key aspect that is often overlooked is the distinction between sexual preference or attraction with chosen behaviour in specific circumstances. Heterosexual or homosexual, there are countless examples of people being attracted but not having sex (or a relationship) for various reasons and people choosing (with varying levels of freedom) to have sex with people they're not especially attracted to.

I'm not sure it should really matter in general and agree that it is really only a major topic of discussion and debate because of the desire by some to discredit, discourage or eliminate homosexuals and/or homosexuality.

 

i don't particularly like blondes, but if a redhead is not available, well, "turn out the lights." ......... i believe it is mostly learned behavior, but why not a bit of genetic propensity?

 

It is both. Genetic AND can be learned. It can be shown to be genetic due to the literally over a thousand different species having homosexuality in them. That is NOT a coincidence. That is a pattern. It can also be learned because that is what humans do. Learn. And they can learn to do/be anything that a human can be/do that they are taught given the right environment.

 

My first question s why does it matter? The second question would be who would just choose it and why?

 

Well alot of people pretended to be straight due to tribalism concerns.

 

Which doesn't address the questions asked. Why would anyone just choose it?

 

I don’t know, perhaps a bit of both. I do find it interesting that back in ancient Greece and Roman times, the soldiers had their male lovers while on campaign and wives back home. To have both was the norms back then. So, what changed? Christianity came into being. This doesn’t answer the question of behavior or genetic. Perhaps just a change in social behavior over time and the norms of society.

 

Being homosexual is due to hormones, toxins, and a learned behavior. Just as a low T male will not grow muscle he will also suffer other effects if his estrogen is higher than his testosterone. Look at the state of most males today in highly urbanized areas where the water is polluted and the society pushes homosexuality. If you were to take a homosexual and pump him full of testosterone and low his estrogen levels you would see a complete alteration in his approach. Not only that but even trans that have gone under the knife with suffer from dementia/amnesia are horrified at what has been done to them. This is all fad and chemicals.

 

I think you underestimate the power of peer pressure. Tribalism influences alot of people's life choices. Especially those with extreme anxiety. "Comming out" is the result some those people choosing to be straight despite their natural existance. Eventually they stop pretending.

People could choose to be gay for the same reason..Dupont circle in DC has great opportunities for the homosexual society.

 

Hmm... I can just say, from experience, that while folks may want to experiment, that doesn't a life choice make.

 

Just because it's not genetic doesn't mean it's not inborn.

 

They don't.

 

Homosexual and heterosexual sex acts are (mostly) a learned behavior. Any homosexual or heterosexual orientation or urge behind those acts, is probably not. The science of genetics is way over my pay grade. Decades ago, I decided not to slog through genetic research. I periodically scan these kinds of articles in order not to look like a complete idiot during one of these nurture/ nature discussions I run across. Gotta try to look up to date on the newest hows and whys of my orientation, right? LOL, I don't retain enough to succeed.

 

So you think men are homosexual because they have low testosterone?

Do you have a source for this most profound theory? It looks like a scientist somewhere would have figured out such a simple solution by now. I wish The scientists of the world were as intelligent as our posters here! I bet you have a ton of peer reviewed evidence for your assertion as well. I look forward to reading it.

 

Scientists of today are the ones pushing for it. Anyone outside of the preferred/mandated theorems are removed from their posts. The only acceptable "sciences" are the ones heavily catering to a particular ideology that wishes to have sex with children and maim them with chemicals or the blade.

 

Of course it doesn't matter, and it entirely misses the point. Homosexuality didn't win acceptance because everyone decided it couldn't be fixed. It won acceptance because most people feel what consenting adults do sexually is their prerogative. The rest is just puritan nonsense trying to find a problem where none exist because they're uncomfortable with sex.

I'd be more interested in a psychoanalysis of that perspective as that's what seems abnormal to me.

 

Who was pushing it in the days of Moses? Why did they have gays in those times, even though the penalty was death? Why do Muslims have them now when the penalty can be death?

See the above questions.

 

It is probably acquired in a few circumstances and an innate propensity the rest of the time.

 

Hormones and activities. A lot of the "boy love" that occurs then and now is from men who are deranged & power perverse. Which is why they want easier access to children to make their pedophilia acceptable and to make the next generation think/feel it's a good thing for a man to rape them. It's been happening for centuries and in those centuries those same men were killed. Unfortunately the abused are damaged mentally from it and it has ruined them.

It's no different from the social experiments done by women that let people touch them freely. Eventually people begin to pinch, prod, and pull to the point of pain because they're given that power high to do so. People with power and no morality end up doing disgusting things that impact later generations. You can take a once good man who was only good because he was surrounded by good and turn him into a machine of evil by granting him unlimited power. Some people don't have any real moral compass.

 

So, today its pushed by scientists, and because there are toxins and in the days of Moses it was .......something else.

Anyone else? Who was pushing it in the days of Moses?

 

Yeh, you still didn’t post a source for your claims.
Which makes them opinion

 

There are power perverse degenerates in the time of Moses. Always has been. There is a reason they were executed.

 

Power.......? You think it was about power?

Well, its good to find an alternate explanation, when the 1st explanation fails.

It was against the mosaic law. Lot of things was against the law. Likewise, in US homosexuality carried a death sentence until Jefferson said that castration was sufficient. Even today Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah laws still ban sodomy, although I believe the Supreme Court recently ruled those laws can no longer be enforced.

 

Let me grab a peer reviewed article telling me why having your wife have sex with other men just makes your relationship extra special. Might as well ask me to source the CIA and anything contrary to that is a DEBOONKED or NOT VALID SOURCE! Anyone with a bit of brain power in the past decade can see the change in society and the push towards inclusion of the T in LGBQ to the eventual inclusion of P meaning for pedophiles. Though they won't use that word because of the connotations it brings.