THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

The war was always between the USA and the Viet Minh.
"Viet Cong" was a term invented by the USG.

 

Russia asked if they could join and Nato said no. So it doesn't seem like a defensive power to me, but a military force formed against the Russian people since the Soviet Union had ceased to exist.

Besides, what was a defensive power doing in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria? Did they attack Europe?

 

And some news from the war front from a Greek site. It's something to ponder.

"Ukrainian forces are trapped and the worst is ahead of them. The Russians adopted an improved version of the American operation Desert Storm". This is what two former analysts and CIA intelligence officers say.

Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson pointed out that the "Russian siege of Kiev in the last three weeks was intended to commit Ukrainian forces and reserves to the protection of the Ukrainian capital. So Russia was able to conduct large-scale operations in the east and south of the country."

At the same time, satellite photos show that the Russians have set up a large military base in the Chaplynka region in Kherson. Helicopters, TOMA, tanks have been transported and fortifications have been created. This base will be the center of Russian operations in Southeastern Ukraine.

They will "cut" the country in two: Great redeployment of Russian forces aiming at the definitive partition of Ukraine!

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IMO, the USG has been far too aggressive in its use of military force around the world since 1945. In every instance it has not served our national interests. We should not be the model or the excuse for Russian aggression.
The USA has paid a high price for its mistakes. Ukraine is beginning to look worse than Russia's Afghanistan adventure. When a nation find itself in a pit the first step to getting out is to stop digging.

 

And this from Army Colonel Douglas MacGregor:

"The war is over for the Ukrainians. Their Army is scattered contrary to what we hear from the media.

So the main question for us the US is and whether there is an agreement we will start living with the Russian and its leadership or we will continue what we are seeking this change of leadership in Russia under the cloak of war in Ukraine.

We will stop using Ukraine and anyone else as a battering ram against Moscow, because in practice that is what we are doing.

We really need to live with these people instead of trying to kill them; I don't have an immediate answer for that but we have to deal with it sometime because we both live on this planet," he concluded.

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/stat...ania-prepei-na-symfiliothoume-me-tous-rosous/​

 

This guy is controversial and truth be told, most of what we hear out of the war area is as well. All we can do is be open minded and let things play out. Right now who is winning depends on who is telling the story.

 

Apologies ahead of time, I edited out the rest of your post to highlight just the part where you responded to me. I typed "If they will do everything possible to avoid civilian deaths, wouldn't they have just stayed on their side of the border?"
First off, you are assuming an awful lot about me. Apparently you haven't taken the inclination to read my posts. That's understandable, there's a lot of posts and arguments going back and forth.
Secondly, how many have died with this method of handling the problem? How much destruction? You act all outraged by the - Nazi's killing off the Russians in the Donbass- but fail to give a crap about all the Russian soldiers and Ukranian soldiers and common citizens that not only have died, but have had their entire lives ripped up in front of them, if they lived. A maternity hospital was bombed, with a cross on top of it.
If you can't wield a weapon, you shouldn't pick it up.
You get on here and defend Russia, and I have read much of what you said, and clicked on your links, and given thought that maybe us Americans don't understand and have poor information, but your disregard for human life in general, combined with a lack of substance, has led me to believe that you're full of the fertilizer that has been so short of coming from that region.
I don't know if there were Russians being persecuted in Donbass or not, I haven't ever been there. It's hard to tell the truth from the internet most of the time. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there MIGHT be a better way to handle it than the way it is being handled presently.
I completely reject your justification for the actions of Putin on behalf of Russia. I state it that way because I don't personally think the average Russian citizen wants this.
You, on the other hand, seem like you think it's justified. Good luck with that.

 

You are dealing with Russian fascists. They don’t give a damn about Ukrainian lives, they don’t give a damn about Russian lives as well. All they care about is empire.

 

My understanding is that the Viet Cong was an indigenous Communist group in South Vietnam.
Their connection with the North is obvious, but I don't know how they liazed.
Unitl the end the 'peace movement' claimed no North Vietnamese were in the South, and USA
only fought the VC. They were wrong, particularly after America defeated the VC in the Tet offensive.

 

Assange is Australian.
Snowden is now is a contented citizen of Russia, stocking up on sugar and flour.
Exposing the links Russia and China have with various organizations and individuals
in the West would have been an eye opener. Tracking down Putin's billions would
have been neat too, just to show the issue is about technology and political systems.

 

Yesterday our Prime Minister Draghi has talked with President Putin.
This has made me remember when Berlusconi was able to make Bush and Putin sign a NATO - Russia agreement in Italy [at Pratica di Mare base].
It was 2002, NATO members and Russia begun to cooperate, starting from anti-terrorism common policies and activities.

It seemed that something was changing. They even created the Russi-NATO Council [NRC].
It was the matter of Crimea to break the toy.

 

Regarding the last sentence ... it happens that US want to go on war and they decide to bring the Alliance with them ... not to feel alone.

 

You write nonsense. Read the Chinese media, read the Indian media - they all admire the actions of the Russians. The President of Mexico declared full support for Russia. Africa and Latin America support the Russians.
Only a few half-witted politicians from the US and the EU oppose the actions of the Russians.

 

In other words, love the representatives of the SS. "Understandable reasons" for you, this means the involvement of the SS in the extermination of Jews and the leadership of death camps? Or does your love for some representatives the SS come from Operation "Night of the Long Knives"?

 

You are blaming the nation for no reason. This is true fascism. Do you hate Russians because they are Russians. You hate black people because they are black? You hate the Chinese because they are Chinese?
And only some representatives of the SS you like.
Do you understand what ideology you preach?

 

I don't think it is funny when someone cannot understand a written text, it is sad. Somehow you didn't noticed what I wrote: "Here is a list of some non Jewish mass murders".

Stalin fought off the genocide of the Russian people? If murdering millions of innocent people is "fighting off genocide" - then you are right.
Here is what some academian wrote:
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2011/01/27/hitler-vs-stalin-who-was-worse/
Hitler vs. Stalin: Who Was Worse?
Timothy Snyder
In the second half of the twentieth century, Americans were taught to see both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union as the greatest of evils. Hitler was worse, because his regime propagated the unprecedented horror of the Holocaust, the attempt to eradicate an entire people on racial grounds. Yet Stalin was also worse, because his regime killed far, far more people—tens of millions, it was often claimed—in the endless wastes of the Gulag. For decades, and even today, this confidence about the difference between the two regimes—quality versus quantity—has set the ground rules for the politics of memory.

Here is info about Snyder excellent book:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands

Now what you wrote is funny, very funny. A country where after saying "Russia attacked Ukraine" or "there is a war in Ukraine" or "Russian soldiers attacking civilians" or God forbid protest against the war you can spend 15 years in prison - this is a free country, and a countries where you can say anything are "free in Orwellian sense" - I love your joke.

Well, if I have to chose to believe in a Tooth Fairy or that Milosovic was found to be innocent. I will go with Tooth Fairy belief:

https://balkaninsight.com/2016/08/16/milosevic-s-old-allies-celebrate-his-innocence-08-16-2016/
https://www.rferl.org/a/milosevic-war-crime-deniers-feed-receptive-audience/27910664.html
https://inavukic.com/2016/09/07/slo...ill-serbias-war-crimes-deniers-get-field-day/
https://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes.php?yyyy=2016&mm=08&dd=15&nav_id=98895

Kudos to RT (Russia Today)!. They convinced thousands, if not millions that International Criminal Tribunal found Milosovitc innocent.

 

It shows how arrogant [my tribe]white europeans are, that they believe they speak on behalf of the world. They are shameless and deceivers.

 

With reference to the topic heading, word of the defeat seems not to have reached the Ukrainian military yet.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

Full support? Really? You go invade half a dozen countries and you get full support? If this is true
then what sort of nations are these? Will they offer 'full support' if China invades Taiwan?

 

I said nothing about "loving" the SS or any Nazis.

 

I hate the Russians for a simple reason.
There can be no measure of peace in this world as long as Russia exists as a nation. Sacrifices must be made.

 

Yeah, I’ve arrived to the same conclusion.

 

i hate the white americans for a simple reason.
There can be no measure of peace in this world as long as america exists as a nation. Sacrifices must be made.

 

Note the word 'white' again.
Let's quote a black American, "“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they
will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

Who do you think said that?
Is he right?

 

Are you defending all Russians or just Black Russians?