THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    But who are you? :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    But why haven't you volunteered for the war with the Russians yet? :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Because, unlike you, a woman liked me enough to start a family with me and I have obligations. If I didn't, I would be there right now.
     
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    Ahahaha :roflol::roflol::roflol:.... Of course! The reason is the woman....But if ... Then surely ...:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ah, you're so well indoctrinated by CNN :applause:
     
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    There are many ways to help with the war effort. Not all of them require physical participation in battles.
    For example - I frequently reach out to my senators and house rep to remind them that Ukraine needs 3 things: weapons, weapons, and more weapons. Ukraine sits now on 94 M777 howitzers - those things shoot further than Russian artillery and some shells, like Excalibur, have GPS and guidance, which would allow Ukraine to shoot at a target 30 miles away and hit it. They already transferred disassembled fighter jets. Maybe Abrams tanks and F16s are next, who knows? :lol:
     
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    I'm guessing you never served a day in the military....
     
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    Why? You have some valuable experience to share?
     
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    No, I can just tell by your buying into what Sleepy Joe told you about our sending more artillery pieces to Ukraine. You've never glimpsed or thought about military logistics. You don't understand the meaning and implications of Russia's owning the sky over Ukraine. All that because you never had a chance to see such things in person.

    Such ignorance is one reason I could support reinstating the draft--the draft allows all citizens to see how their government works, warts and all.
     
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    And how would a draft in the U.S. help anyone see the complete picture of what’s going on in Ukraine?
     
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    What would a draft accomplish? All that would do is decrease the quality of our military, and I don't think it would reveal anything to anybody except for that they didn't want to be drafted.
     
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    That's too sophisticated for many to appreciate, especially those who never actually did time in the US military.
     
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    With all the brave soldiers having been discharged for refusing the shots, what's left is a gang of submissive mask-wearing idiots. That could easily be described as a very low-quality military. The good ones are being driven out. What remains are obedient vassals with contaminated blood circulating through their bodies.
     
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    Are you trying to make a point related to the subject at hand? Do I need to serve in the US military to understand M777 systems or Excalibur shells? Or loading shells into a truck that tows that howitzer requires some military experience?
     
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    Many of my brothers in arms are still on active duty. I assure you, our military is as capable now as it has ever been. Soldiers have been mandated to take shots they don't want for at least as long as since I was in, which started in 1995. Whether they decide the shot isn't worth staying in is not a reflection of the quality of the soldier.

    Charging into machine gun fire isn't that good for you either, and anybody who is afraid of a shot would be afraid of taking out a bunker. I guess you could say all of us facing mortal danger were a bunch of helmet wearing idiots. But we did it. Maybe those that stay decide that service to one's country is greater than one's stance on yet another shot.
     
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    It's not "just another shot".

    It's a shot for a virus with a 99% survival rate. That tells you something right there. Why in hell does POTUS and Sec Def give a damn if soldiers take a shot for a virus with a 99% survival rate?

    Why was the pilot of the F-35 that crashed on the USS Vinson cursing the 'damn vaccines' and complaining about his chest feeling like it had been hit with a baseball bat? Why are hundreds of airline pilots offering the same complaints and symptoms, like Captain Robert Snow on April 9 when he experienced cardiac arrest just after landing?

    Supposedly brave soldiers wearing a silly mask don't look too damn brave to me. They look like fools in submission.

    At least Yellow Fever and all the other shots I took in the 60s were real diseases.

    The shots are bioweapons and the corrupt Pentagon knows that. LTC Long and other whistleblowers were promptly removed from their jobs for speaking the plain and simple truth. The Army worked that way even when I was in.
     
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    When I took the Anthrax vaccine in 1998 for the first time, I almost passed out, and thought I was dying. I couldn't see for about 3 minutes. Guess how much Anthrax we, or anybody else, ever came anywhere close to being exposed to? None, zero. I'm sure it was some scheme to get a lot of politicians rich that invested in companies making those vaccines. And I wasn't the only one that had bad reactions. In fact, the bad reactions were way more common than they were with covid vaccines. And I took about 5 more booster anthrax vaccines.

    And all soldiers ARE fools in submission. The military wouldn't be able to function if they weren't. Yes, we think about what we are ordered to do, and yes we give feedback and provide ideas for better ways to do things, but at the end of the day, if our ideas are rejected and the order is to go clear that building that we know has bad guys ready to kill us, we are going to go clear it room to room instead of dropping a JDAM on it if that is what our orders are. Foolish? Absolutely. But that is what we volunteered for. Those that don't like that can leave, and they did. It is not a reflection on the quality of the soldier in any way. If being a soldier is what you really wanted to do, and you have dedicated your life to it, do you really think taking that shot would make you less of a soldier?

    I agree that the vaccines are likely pure BS and yet another moneymaking scheme/power grab by politicians. They're all scumbags. However, not giving up the way of life that you love in the military because you took the shot does not make you a less capable soldier, nor does it make you foolish (any more than they already are for agreeing to get shot at in the first place).
     
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    Perhaps, but it is also far past time for at least some of the 'someones' who blundered to be replaced.

    "‘Forward, the Light Brigade!’
    Was there a man dismayed?
    Not though the soldier knew
    Someone had blundered.

    Theirs not to make reply,
    Theirs not to reason why,
    Theirs but to do and die.
    Into the valley of Death
    Rode the six hundred."
    Tennyson
     
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    It's the politicians that need to be replaced. Those profiting off the Medical and Military industrial Complex. Which is probably most of them.
     
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    Serving in the military doesn't mean having a lick understanding of the politics behind war. Which is why soldiers follow orders, and do not issue them. And this is also why civilian control of the military is both enshrined into American law, and makes sense.

    Being a grunt doesn't mean that you know about anything other than being a grunt.
     
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    The politicians clearly need to be replaced, but they are cheap crooks who rarely manage to stuff more than $millions into their pockets.
    The $B&T money goes to the donor class.

    “OVERSIGHT BY CONGRESS:

    Date Congress authorized U.S. forces to go after culprits in Sept. 11, 2001 attacks: Sept. 18, 2001.
    Number of times U.S. lawmakers have voted to declare war in Afghanistan: 0.
    Number of times lawmakers in Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee addressed costs of Vietnam War, during that conflict: 42
    Number of times lawmakers in same subcommittee have mentioned costs of Afghanistan and Iraq wars: 5.
    Number of times lawmakers in Senate Finance Committee have mentioned costs of Afghanistan and Iraq wars, since Sept. 11, 2001: 1.
    PAYING FOR A WAR ON CREDIT, NOT IN CASH: ...
    Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion.
    Estimated interest payments on that $2 trillion so far (based on a higher-end estimate of interest rates): $925 billion.
    Estimated interest costs by 2030: $2 trillion.
    Estimated interest costs by 2050: $6.5 trillion.
    THE WARS END. THE COSTS DON'T:
    Amount Bilmes estimates the United States has committed to pay in health care, disability, burial and other costs for roughly 4 million Afghanistan and Iraq veterans: $1.6 to $1.8 trillion.
    Period those costs will peak: after 2048.”
    ABC NEWS, The cost of the Afghanistan war, in lives and dollars, The nearly 20-year American combat mission in Afghanistan was the United States’ longest war, By ELLEN KNICKMEYER, Associated Press, July 12, 2021.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/cost-afghanistan-war-lives-dollars-78802965
     
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    Of course. The creation of debt is the whole reason we go to war. That debt is used to generate even more money in the pockets of oligarchs, who become ultra rich off the generated interest, and who use that magically generated wealth to bribe and steer governments to enact policies that will divert even more wealth and power their way. It's basically the matrix disguised in everyday clothing. Ordinary people are the batteries, expending all their energy, but only getting a tiny sliver of that energy returned to them in the miniscule wages they receive. The rest becomes profit for the oligarchs. In many cases, they receive so little that they end up borrowing, creating even more wealth from interest for the same oligarchs that are stealing energy from them in the first place. To add insult to injury, when the oligarchs create another war, it's those ordinary people who will do the killing and dying, while the oligarchs reap massive rewards through the MIC.
     
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    Anything else would be "communism" in the eyes of right-leaning American voters, though.
     
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    ...and what of their ground attack capability...??...unfortunately It's shyte...
    To start with it requires units talking to each other i.e. integration with command nets in order to function....they don't. But even the basics they can't do.
    If they have fixed and static targets with known location then they have the capability to strike with unguided weapons...they may have a chance of hitting something but that's pretty much it....their pop-up ground attack capability is crap...if you look at the sensor suits available to western crews to launch guided weapons...the Russians have pretty much nothing and pretty much no training. So if you think they have the capability like the Strike Eagle crews....then you have no idea....so it might be worth knowing what you're talking about before you start rubbishing other posters thoughts on matters
     
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    Then all the small limited government factions are not "right-leaning".
     

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