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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    What kind of party equates the Will Of The People, with 'tyranny'?

    The GOP, that's what kind of party.

    For them, the will of the people means nothing, and anything the majority wants, is tyranny.

    For them, 81,000,000 millions ballots for Biden is a 'mob',

    But, 74,000,000 ballots for Trump is not.

    Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

    Right. And my how they love to cling to the words of a very few men written 250 years ago who pleadings were for an era wholly unlike modernity, but, we gotta cling to their words, anyway. yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Right.

    And now, since they have haven't won the popular vote in decades, they are going around declaring that America is not a democracy, despite my 15 years of schooling, despite every professor, every book on the subject, not ot mention the Encyclopedia Britannica, says that AMerica is a democracy, a representative democracy, which IS a democracy, that Democracy is one of America's core value, that 'Constitutional Republic' and 'liberal democracy' are not mutually exclusive terms. America isn't a democracy, repubs are saying, never mind that our leaders at every level, municipal, regional, state and federal are elected, that there are hundreds of elections in America, never mind that, no, America isn't a democracy they say, it's a 'constitutional republic' they say, as if a CR isn't a democracy. (It most certainly is, and it's sad that I have to even argue the point. They are saying a representative democracy is not a democracy, despite the fact that half of the phrase is the word 'democracy' ) that the only kind of democracy that is a democracy is a direct democracy. Well, that's BS. And... Before repubs started losing the popular vote, this was NEVER a point they made).


    congratulations Republicans, Orwell's nightmares are coming true.
     
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    "And to the Republic, for which it stands..."

    /end thread
     
    dharbert, May 3, 2022
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    dharbert Well-Known Member

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    Everything you people are arguing over was decided over 200 years ago by men far more wise and virtuous than anyone we have in government today...
     
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    Perhaps you could include a citation or a quote of what specifically you're talking about? If not, I'll just assume its but more complaining about the constitution preventing a slight majority from being able to oppress and punish their opposition.
     
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    They are not competing for the popular vote. As of now, the only points they have to make are gifted to them by your party. Results speak for themselves.
     
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    Biden got 81 million votes.. 81 million people did not vote for him.

    Trump got the majority of legal votes and should have won the election.. it's been a landslide to.. I am not real quick to claim the GOP either.. most are just an arm oof the DC uniparty.. but they are far better than the best democrat.
     
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    Why do you keep repeating the phrase "popular vote" as if that is really a thing?

    FWIW...We are a Democratically elected Constitutional Republic. That has never changed. This does in fact differ from a direct democracy whether you understand this or not.
     
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    Most of whom understood that the Constitution could not survive the demands of a dynamic republic as a static document.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the founders never intended for the government to turn into a behemoth with 137 alphabet agencies regulating your every move, either...
     
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    And as far as George Orwell goes, I'm pretty sure it was the Democrats that just implemented a Ministry of Truth, just like in his novel 1984...
     
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    It makes perfect sense to people who believe that millions of ballots were cast illegally.
     
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    It's funny how the President who supposedly received the most votes in U.S. history now has one of the lowest approval ratings of any President ever after only one year. And his diversity hire Vice President has the lowest rating of any VP in U.S. history, with the exception of maybe one.

    Do you see anyone wearing "Build Back Better" shirts or hats? Do you see people gathering by the thousands every time Biden speaks? No, you don't. 81 million people didn't vote for Joe Biden, they voted against Donald Trump...
     
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    Sometimes it just plain feels good to rant and rave. Accuracy and self awareness don’t matter. It just feels good.
     
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  14. Patricio Da Silva

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    So what, you think a song must go into the weeds of what the Encyclopedia Britannica states on the 'Republic" entry?

    End of argument.
     
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    Just as many men of 200 years ago were against the constitution, or did you forget that part?

    For their time, yes, but those men could not possibly imagine the world we live in today.

    Wise men do what all wise men do, keep the words of antiquity that are still relevant, and discard that which no is no longer.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Posts....

    On "Tyranny of the majority"

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...en-dems-repubs.599130/page-22#post-1073419185

    Yes, the tyranny of mob rule is a fundamentally anti-American concept, but it has also been rejected by philosophers across the political spectrum. Surely you know that

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...en-dems-repubs.599130/page-21#post-1073418740

    That the tyranny of the majority is tyranny has been acknowledged by philosophers across the political spectrum.
    "Democracy is nothing but the Tyranny of Majorities, the most abominable tyranny of all, for it is not based on the authority of a religion, not upon the nobility of a race, not on the merits of talents and of riches. It merely rests upon numbers and hides behind the name of the people." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...en-dems-repubs.599130/page-20#post-1073416065

    Tyranny of the majority which is why the founding fathers so abhorred it and guarantied to the States a Republic.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-close-to-a-monopoly.599091/#post-1073397273

    ...Athens was a lot worse a place than most give it credit for looking back, partly because we have a fascination with democracy and Athens was one of the earliest properly functioning examples.
    It was also a good example of the problems with democracy. Tyranny of the majority doesn't look too different to dictatorship, when you're being stabbed through the chest the distinction ceases to matter.

    On "America is not a democracy"

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...en-dems-repubs.599130/page-12#post-1073409508

    The point is no we are not the United States of America is not a democracy it is a Federal Republican form of government and guarantied not to be a democracy by the founding fathers.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...een-dems-repubs.599130/page-2#post-1073401029

    ...America is not and never has been a democracy...

    I could go on....
     
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    Believe me, they do wish they could win the popular vote, because they know, whether they admit it or not, it has something to do with the "Will Of The People".

    The only time they started to poo poo democracy was when they stared losing the popular vote, consistently.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Like I said, the ONLY TIME THIS BECAME A POINT, was when the right started losing the popular vote.

    You are just continuing on that point, whether your understand it or not.
     
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    Yep, voting equals democracy.
     
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    Which still makes us a democracy whether you understand this or not.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    And who convinced them of that?

    Donald Trump.
     
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    So you don't like the concept of the 'tyranny of the majority' then... what would you like to call it instead when 51% of a population tries to use their numerical advantage to impose something on everyone that 49% of the population believe is wrong?

    Because that eventually happens in a democracy. Its innevitable. The only question is what are you OK with calling it?
     
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    Their interest lies in the will of those helping keep them in power. The will of big pharma and the like!
     
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    2004 is not "decades" ago.
     
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    That would be the Democrats: Biden just said the decision on abortion is too important to be left to the states and the people.
    You need to take a breather - you're about to pop a gasket and you're getting slobber all over your screen.

    remind me again where the "popular vote" is specified in the Constitution. :rolleyes:
     
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