Should states decide on gun ownership?

It would appear it is you who is having revisionist history:



"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Stephens Smith, son-in-law of John Adams, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
- Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

 

The left prays at the alter of a strong central government, thus they can't comprehend the inherent threat a government poses... even though history has proven it time and time again.

 

Thats true, but it sounds like you don't know what 'the militia' actually is in the US. US Code (the codification by subject matter of the general and permanent laws of the United States) defines 'the militia' to include all able bodied male citizens (and those intent on becoming citizens) between ages 18 and 45. Given that no politician's career would survive an attempt to enforce exclusion of women, the disabled or the elderly from also identifying as 'the militia', we can logically extend 'the militia' to effectively include all adult citizens. OIOW, 'A well regulated all adult citizens, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' This is what the 2A effectively means according to US Code, not the Supreme Court.

 

I rarely hear anyone complain about not being able to own nukes, claymores, grenades, and the like. If fact most gun rights advocates support those restrictions.
So any rights can be taken, as they are only given by man and enforced by man, and it's always a question of where the line in the sand exists.

 

Listen up everybody! Everyone had guns before this country was even formed under any constitution, including state constitutions! So all state and federal constitutions were going to maintain the status quo, plain and simple.

 

Are there any restrictions? Those cretins are standing inside the MI statehouse.

 

Have you ever tried to buy a firearm?

 

You really have no point. The 14th does NOT have to address abortion directly.
It applies to ALL PERSONS BORN, so unborn are not protected by the 14th or any amendment.
Unless the pregnant woman gives the fetus some rights by choosing to carry the fetus until it's a born person.

 

Because politicians don’t give two shits about the constitution. They only invoke it when it is politically advantageous. If it gives them an edge to disregard it, it will be disregarded. Soon it will be first amendment rights being eroded as well.

 

People had slaves too at the time the Constitution was ratified. As time passed we recognized the error of our ways.......see the 13th A.

 

I don't have to understand anything. Words are words and written to state what they are meant to mean.
Not to have to try and figure out what they were thinking. What they thought is irrelevant. What they wrote is all that matters.

 

Do you know what arm's are?
The 2A is about arm's, not just guns.

If arm's can be restricted, and they are, guns can also be restricted. If we allow any arms to be restricted, then all arms are game to be restricted.

 

So my point stands. The constitution does not grant abortion rights nor does it restrict them, therefore it is a state issue being the constitution does not prohibit states from the issue it then falls to them as per the tenth.

And you’re wrong, it does have to address it directly. The original intent of any amendment is what it was designed to address. You can’t just make up rights because English confuses you.

 

So you are unable to address the topic and instead have to resort to ad homs.
That's a terrible way to make a point. Actually, I guess you don't have a point.

But it does show you are for restriction of arm's. Which violates the 2A.

 

I can only guess as to why there's a waiting period.
For someone who is angry in the moment, can't go buy a gun to kill the person who they are angry at. A so called cooling off period.
No, most gun laws don't make us safer, which is why I never worry about losing my right to own guns.

But some laws may make it harder for one who has semi auto weapons to fire off 30 or more rounds in several seconds.

 

No because the right to bear arms is an actual RIGHT.

 

It addresses born persons. That's it.
And you are correct, it neither grants nor restricts abortions. So the 14th can't be used to restrict abortions. Which is what I thought you were claiming it could do, I guess I misunderstood your position.

Basically, an unborn has no constitutional rights at all. Unless the pregnant woman chooses to give it rights.

 

No. Despite the fact that government ignores the constitution, The document clearly defines what belongs in federal government and what belongs in the states. The second amendment makes gun ownership a national right.

 

I think they already do and have ruling so in Heller and most bans have been overruled, do you have any cases in mind?

 

Ahhhh we were founded on the premise we are all CREATED equally and with the fundamental inherent right to life. The government is here to protect that right.

 

Read the gun laws in NY and CA. Why should I explain it to you. I can’t drive through NY with a gun in my car. Different states. Different laws. Go away now. You’re trolling.

 

I see you’ve moved the goalposts. Your original argument was about owning a gun as “near impossible”. NOW you’re talking about, as a non-citizen of NY, that you can’t drive through the state with a gun. Which is a silly argument unless of course you are in the habit of waiving your gun around while you drive. Hahaha.

 

Not exactly. Still much harder to purchase, own and defend yourself with a firearm in CA or NY compared to TX or FL. No goal posts to move. Just piling on the laws some states have and restrictive rights and difficulties they create for a constitutional right. And you can be pulled over while driving through said states and get in a lot of trouble for having it even if you did nothing wrong in relation to owning the firearm, besides having it.

 

Too funny. First it was “nearly impossible” to own guns to now it’s “much harder”.
Walk me through how if you got pulled over for speeding the cops would somehow know you had a gun in the car? Do you often waive your gun around when you get pulled over???

 

Dude been there and done that, repeatedly. I've been fighting the left's self serving ignorance on this issue for nearly thirty years now.