The fear of losing democracy

You need a link for Trump's attempted coup?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tru...9i57j69i60.6592j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Your turn.

 

Gosh... so the Colbert staffers will be charged similarly?

 

If democracy is all important, I suggest coming up with a candidate that can defeat Trump in a free and fair election. If Trump were to win the next election, wouldn’t that be democracy in action? Voting for stupidity is democracy. Historically that’s why this country is set up as a constitutional republic. So that voting for stupidity takes longer to destroy the whole system. But it can eventually if ya’ll keep voting for stupidity. No more Trumps. No more Bidens. It’s time to end the stupidity.

I can’t see how the election by democratic process of anyone is anything other than democracy. If BOTH parties don’t start offering candidates qualified for the office each election going forward is going to put a worse person in office than the previous.

 

Basically yes, the fear is they will do exactly that. They will get the military to cooperate in the same way it is done in Latin America and elsewhere; they bribe them, buying them off with power. (Thus are military dictatorships made, most Latin American countries have gone through this at least once)

 

You need to widen your gaze. https://www.npr.org/2021/02/11/9664...blicans-say-political-violence-may-be-necessa

POT candidates are running ads making thinly veiled threats of violence against opponents, https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...hunting-ad-aimed-fellow-republicans-rcna34388

conservatives attending anti-vax school board meetings threatening school board members,
https://coloradosun.com/2022/02/16/littleton-vaccine-clinic-shutdown-threats/

politicians like Kinzinger receiving death threats,
https://thehill.com/homenews/3529964-kinzinger-shares-threat-to-family/

Trump offering to pay for the defense of rally attendees who beat up protesters,

 

There are certainly better spoken folks out there than Clinton and they have shared the same thoughts.

 

Attempted coup? Committed by whom again? The crowd that were waived in by the cops that day? You seem to be severely conflicted by the actual facts. Again, you intone the catechism, ad still don't have any fact based citations for your assertions. And remember, this was about your post #3. Zero so far. In your rush to expound on your baseless assertion field today, you have still not supplied any substantive evidence of your shrill partisan commentary. It is pretty typical these days.

 

Many of them found out the hard way that Trump lied to them about that and about Pence's authority. Too bad that had to happen behind bars.

Is the fact that he lied and manipulated those people more than enough to conclude he doesn't give a damn about democracy or anything but himself? The only reason he has even acknowledged their existence is to dangle a carrot that he would pardon them all if re-elected. He set those people up and now they have convictions based on an outright lie.

Yes, of course, Trump is anti-American. Trump doesn't even recognize that we are people. EVERYONE only exists to exploit and toss aside in his world. That's as anti-America as one can get.

 

Then you haven't talked to that many of them, not even some of the ones on this board.

There ARE people, MANY people, in the USA who DON'T think at all well of Constitutional Democracy as a way to run this country. They've been with us since the beginning and they are VERY strong in this country now.

 

Where's the AOC link?

 

Really not interested in playing your "water is wet?" game.

 

Well, I don't go looking for fascists, though I have met exactly one.

Who are the Republicans, and especially the ones on this board, who favor ending Democracy or at least representative Democracy?

 

I think that's probably what it is. It reminds me of Trump saying "If we lose this election, we lose the country" or something like that. Hyperbole. Yes, there is a genuine issue around how to understand the support of Republicans for the 'stolen election' talk, but I think it's a bit much to weaponise it to this extent. The sky is always falling when an election comes around.

 

Okay, so the way the loss of democracy will manifest is by Republicans taking control via winning elections that Democrats will lose by focusing on Defunding Police and LGBTQBLT rights, and then by disenfranchising everyone who doesn't support Trump as dictator for life? And Pence, Christie, Romney, Cruz, Rubio, Thune, McConnell, Quayle, Ryan, and DeSantis and the Joint Chiefs are all board with this?

 

I remember when people who said Obama would become President for life were called nuts and conspiracy theorists.

It’s like everyone read Orwell and wants to cosplay “1984”.

 

Losing an election is certainly not the same as "losing Democracy". In fact, losing an election solidifies Democracy. And so does people (BLM for example) exercising their right to protest. All that is what a healthy Democracy looks like.

"Losing Democracy" would be through a candidate who lost the election not acknowledging his defeat and, in fact, lying about non-existent "voter fraud", and inciting insurrectionists to change the results. THAT is how we could lose Democracy.

 

I never said that about Obama. Nor did any mainstream Republican.

And Hillary isn't some far left nut. So what the hell is she talking about?

 

I don't at all claim that I have no irrational concerns in this world, but losing Democracy just isn't one of them. And those who claim that they fear it are either paranoid or not being honest.

That's why Hillary's stated fear is so confounding; she has always been so honest about everything else.

 

You're thinking about it the wrong way. Normalization happens gradually. It was a little shocking when Trump sent Sean Spicer out to the official WH podium to lie about the inaugural crowd. A year or so later hearing lies coming from the admin was no longer a surprise, it was expected.
It was shocking when Don asked his rally attendees to beat up protesters. Shocking the first time a Repub made a campaign ad shooting a gun at various metaphorical targets. Shocking when we saw the mob descend on the Capital after Trump's Big Lie. Shocking when Trump first suggested a prez election was rigged.
Repubs don't use the language of ending democracy. They just keep advocating for things, around the margins, that cumulatively will over time.

 

Even your own BS congressional committee can't find insurrection. It's why you cite it when asked. The video of the capitol police waiving folks in is going to go a long ways in those trials you think you want to convene....

 

To be fair, she has a lot more ammunition for the claim than Republicans did, even if it's overblown.

 

................by advocating for anti-democratic measures. Like taking steps to ensure they remain in power even if they are in the minority.
https://www.democracydocket.com/news/the-ohio-redistricting-mess/

 

Were you shocked when Kamala or Maxine, or any of the other democratic women called for violence against conservatives? When Nancy won't allow SCOTUS judges to live in peace, or Merrick Garland refusing to enforce the law that protects federal judges? Are you surprised by those things?

 

We're past that now. The issue isn't whether it happened, it's a matter of assigning culpability based on the evidence.

 

Link? AOC link?