The fear of losing democracy

Hillary made some remarks at a luncheon reflecting her fear that extreme positions, particularly LGBTQ activism (such an annoying acronym -- "queer" used to be a slur!), would cost Democrats the next election.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/hilla...-losing-our-democracy/?utm_source=mostpopular

I understand what she means, and I believe her concern is reasonable. What I do not understand is how losing an election is the same as "losing Democracy."

“We are standing on the precipice of losing our democracy, and everything that everybody else cares about then goes out the window,” Clinton told interviewer Edward Luce.

Clinton emphasized her belief that the Democratic Party should focus on the issues that “help you win” rather than more controversial issues important primarily to minorities.

This is where she loses me, and I suspect she is smart enough to know that this is either disingenuous or incoherent. If BLM, trans rights, and defunding the police continue to turn off voters and drive them into the arms of the Republicans, how is that "losing Democracy"? One gets the sense that Democrats honestly think that the only way Republicans can win is to steal elections. And if you purposefully but freely vote Republican, then you are complicit in the theft. But how is it "stealing" to persuade Independents, and even conservative-ish black and Hispanic democrats, to vote Republican by pointing to Democratic priorities so insane and anti- traditionalist that even Hillary can see it?

 

At this moment in time, there is no Republican party. So, nobody is scared of people running through the garden to jump in the arms of sane Republicans. Everybody except the Trumpers are teetering on the edge of hysteria that the anti-American and anti-democracy monster who is lying and stealing from his own supporters for his own evil agenda and monetary gain could possibly get the football again and that will make his first term look like child's play. The frogs don't even know the water is boiling already.

 

It's fairly straight forward. The POT has morphed in to a party that supports the leader of an attempted coup, is in favor of the suppression of voting rights, is fomenting a lack of faith in election integrity, is openly subverting the will of the majority, cheered when two SC seats were stolen from Dem prez's, is against the prez winning by virtue of garnering a majority of votes, is normalizing violence as a remedy for political differences, is increasingly hostile to all manor of minority populations, has lost its reverence for the rule of law.

 

Hillary is suffering from foreign donation evaporation syndrome... All she has left is her hot air... Of course, no global warming alarmists are focusing on her.... When democrats stopped worrying about the people, and left the reservation on their woke death march, well, all you can do is be sad for them. Hillary will be castigated by her own folks for daring to note that wokism is the cancer they suffer... but no one will notice. The foreign nations that used to fuel her war chest have all fled for more influential voices....

 

Where do you get this baloney? The democrats are about to lose big time and it is the democrats who are causing it. Trump has little to do with it one way or the other.

 

Gosh... now that the party of Biden has committed their own assault on the Capital, the woke insurrection, your words seem vacant and a creepy echo of a hate filled rage that consumed so many of the weak minded in our nation.

 

While I recognize and concede that bullying electors to change votes or rioting to stop a certification is anti Democratic, is a repeat of this intended scenario what Democrats mean by "losing Democracy"?

It seems to me that they at this point would consider even a legitimate win by Republicans as the "loss of democracy." Are the Republicans, once in power, going to bar everyone who isn't white, Anglo Saxon and rich from voting?

Do they fear that we will make Trump or DeSantis "President for Life"? How would we enforce such a thing? The military will be on board with this Latin American style power grab?

 

I don't believe that she is saying - outright - that losing an election means the loss of democracy. If I'm understanding it correctly, she is saying that the party to whom the Dems could lose are 'anti-democracy'. Hence, the loss of democracy.

 

Hillary lies... a lot. and stupid people still listen to her. It's amazing to me.

 

Given the choice, count me in with the party that has been too zealous in trying to protect minorities of all stripes against prejudice as opposed to the party that feigns a love of America while it seeks to tear down its foundational tenets one at a time.

 

If a Repub who wins an election legitimately espouses anti-democratic principles isn't that still cause for concern?

 

Oh, so you hate Demoracy, too?

Joke.

I thought of that, but she leaves unsaid how this loss of Democracy would manifest itself. This leaves me to think that she doesn't believe it herself, or hasn't thought it out very well. I don't know of a single Republican or even the worst rioter in the Capitol who actually favors ending Democracy.

 

Name three foundational tenets that the Republicans are bent on tearing down.

Please don't say "Democracy!" That's circular.

 

Democrats don't protect minorities. If "defund the police" has any long term positive, it is the demonstration to the American people that democrats are more interested in punishing minorities and minority communities. When democrats vote for releasing more horror in their large cities they manage and that violence manifests itself against those same minority communities, democrats cheer. Your feigned and dishonest message here is just so inappropriate. When the democrats who have tried to convince the people that they changed their racist stripes, folks can now see through that BS. So, yes, we count you in that party that so actively punishes the minorities of this nation.

 

Perhaps because it's self-evident.

"I don't know of a single Republican or even the worst rioter in the Capitol who actually favors ending Democracy."

Yet they did so by their actions.

 

You mean like when folks like AOC opine that the people don't have the right to make their own decisions? Like that?

 

See post #3.

 

No, they believed the election had been stolen. That they were wrong in this doesn't mean they support autocracy.

 

Which actions? And given your vitriol here today, the fact that a comedian sent his own insurrection against the capital and were thankfully arrested before their evil coup was complete... you words on it so far? Zilch..

 

Hyperbole is your answer? Laughable.

 

Link?

 

LOL.. links for your assertions today?

 

There are a few useful idiots out there who hear her buzzwords...the ones the media repeats...and let the rest of her words leak out of their non-critical brains.

That's what she's counting on and that's why the media gives a damn what she says.

 

Seditious conspiracy: 11 Oath Keepers charged in Jan. 6 riot

WASHINGTON (AP) — Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of the far-right Oath Keepers militia group, and 10 other members or associates have been charged with seditious conspiracy in the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol, authorities said Thursday.

Despite hundreds of charges already brought in the year since pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol in an effort to stop the certification of President Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory, these were the first seditious conspiracy charges levied in connection with the attack on Jan. 6, 2021.

It marked a serious escalation in the largest investigation in the Justice Department’s history – more than 700 people have been arrested and charged with federal crimes – and highlighted the work that has gone into piecing together the most complicated cases. The charges rebut, in part, the growing chorus of Republican lawmakers who have publicly challenged the seriousness of the insurrection, arguing that since no one had been charged yet with sedition or treason, it could not have been so violent.
https://apnews.com/article/stewart-...insurrection-70019e1007132e8df786aaf77215a110

 

You mention "normalizing violence." You're talking a few hundred nuts out of tens of millions of Republicans, none of whom knew what they wanted specifically, most of whom waltzed in and waltzed out doing nothing violent in the process, all of whom save a handful who have apologized and are being prosecuted with the approbation of every single Republican in Congress.

Do you actually believe this stuff?