The fear of losing democracy

Because to democrats their losing an election is the same thing as our nation losing its democracy. To them we only have a true democracy when their side wins the election as there’s no legitimate outcome that would see them lose…

 

No, that dog won't hunt, my condescending friend. Most who supported Trump, including his daughter, Sean Hannity, and 99% of his inner circle were disgusted by the riot and called on him to try to stop it earlier than he did. And of course, he did, if too slowly.

Too many Republicans believe the rioters were "protecting democracy." All of the rioters thought that. They were/are wrong, but none of them wanted to do away with the electoral process itself. That's what we're trying to talk about but TDS impedes the debate. They believe the election was stolen just as Hillary and your cohorts believe Russia stole the election for a colluding Trump in 2016.

 

The same gullible idiots who are still waiting for him to show his proof that Trump was compromised by Putin?

 

Schiff isn't easily embarrassed.

 

I appreciate your balanced approach to this, but you omit an important question - what was Trump's intention? Was he trying to 'protect democracy' or was he trying to stay in power any cost?

 

Just the fact that you don't think BLM, etc. are not real issues for the people impacted by them is precisely the problem.

Beyond that, we aren't talking about Trump being re-elected. We are talking about Trump dismantling the foundation of our country and Constitution. It would be a laugh or yawn if he was just a crazy old man with too much money but he's not.

He's a crazy old man with too much (or ill-gotten gains) that thinks we should kiss the ground he walks on (and too many people are cool with that).

I wouldn't be concerned if his supporters were willing to admit his wrongdoing but they get outrageously defensive and hateful when anybody posts anything negative about him. That's not aligning with one's party or candidate. That's hero worship and makes them blind or willing to overlook what is blatantly obvious.

* People have lost their jobs because Trump defaulted on bank loans.
* People lost their jobs and were never paid because he filed bankruptcy.
* People died because he lied about COVID and said it was a Democrat hoax.
* He misused his inaugural funds and his daughter lied about it under oath.
* He price-gouged his own hotels on our dime for his Secret Service to the tune of millions.
* People died because he negotiated with the Taliban and moved a bulk of our troops out before he left office.
* More people died because he lied and said Biden was allowing in terrorists (our allies there are being killed because they couldn't get out).
* Some donors were unable to pay their bills because he took more than they wanted to donate and refused to have his staff respond until a judge forced him to refund their money.
* He claimed to be a "law and order President" and sat for HOURS watching that mob attack Capitol police officers and did NOTHING. He still has never said the names of those that died.

There is not one thing in the above list that is about party or country. NOT ONE. The man is a monster and a criminal and the people blind to that think we fired him because of mean tweets. I WISH all I was concerned about were his crazy midnight ramblings on Twitter.

Can you honestly not see that he is putting people in place to stamp out our Election Boards and stack them with his "yes" men and women? Or, is it okay because one aligns with the party he claims to represent? That's not democracy. Everyone in this country that says they want "free and fair" elections but support his bullying and lying and pushing Governors to sign illegal and unconstitutional "laws" is complicit in his quest to dismantle the foundation of our country.

Sure, reduce it to a punchline. If Trump is going to take over "zee whole world, moo haha," It's not funny to those on the frontline bearing witness to the discrimination and marginalization. You don't care because it doesn't harm you. I care because it does harm people. Why is that okay? Why is it okay to claim that everyone is equal but we want to silence the ones we don't like? We want to pretend their struggles aren't real? Why do we expect everyone to jump on the bandwagon when we feel excluded but it's perfectly okay to do that to others and then turn around and call them liars or weak or whiners? If that's true, why doesn't that apply to a person that got fired for being incompetent having a public nervous breakdown since the 2020 election? Why is his pain legit but everyone else can go to hell?

Put yourself on the other side for a minute. Are you okay with the wife of a SCOTUS member having influence over law makers and front lines to help our former President break the law (and possibly sedition and/or treason)? Are you okay with that person NOT being investigated because she is married to somebody that voted "no" to that instead of recusing himself? Why wouldn't Democrats have an issue with that. Wouldn't you have an issue with that if it happened in the other direction? That's not democracy.

Are you okay with Rudy and Sidney openly lying, admitting they lied about widespread election fraud and they both are dyed-in-the-wool Trumpers? They admitted they lied and there are people in prison because of that lie. Why is anybody even still questioning the Big Lie?

It's not about Hillary or D or Rs at this point. Trump has set this country back decades and it will take generations to clean up his mess. So, if you are cool with someone being above the law who has no reservations about getting people killed, people dying without access to the same care he received for COVID, people losing their jobs and businesses because of his rampant fraud and unwillingness to pay his bills and loans, and appointing him Dear Leader for Life, you have that right.

I choose to side with my country and Constitution. That's what real PATRIOTS do in times of crisis.

 

Where did you get lost, ATP?

 

Seriously? You're claiming a guy that was president for 4 years never won an election.

 

Considering who believes his bs why should he be?

 

The arrest record is public I encourage everyone to read it.

 

He's a total embarrassment to the country.

Adam Schiff Is An Emblem Of Institutional Decline (thefederalist.com)

 

By whom? When are these indictments going to happen? And who is going to levy them? It really begs the question that what democrats are more interested in is the theater of the spectacle rather than the substance. Silly way to carry on for sure. When you get your criminal complaints in court, we can start eviscerating them.

 

This is a false dichotomy. If he believed that the election was rigged then he was trying to preserve democracy. You have to prove that he knew his beliefs were lies. Good luck figuring out how to look inside his mind.

 

You reported it so it appears you didn't put it aside. It was not "incoherent", but I get you just had to get your dig in.

It was a mob of over 2000, some of them AbsabyGodLutely DID have a "game plan", they had the "backing" of some of our legislators and were heavily armed, even with firearms:

You have very artfully twisted the meaning of what she said and, egregiously, what happened on January 6th. Her message was NOT as convoluted or complicated as you're representing it. ALL she was saying is IF Democrats are going to do well, at all, in the coming elections; "We" have to focus on issues we can win and leave the losing issues out of it. Because going after losing issues only better arms the opposition. And it's critical that Democrats do win, because losing to Benedict Donald risks losing Government By The People to an Autocracy of Donald Judas tRump.

 

If Dems Were Serious, Adam Schiff Wouldn't Be On Jan. 6 Committee (thefederalist.com)

The author nails Schiff's continuous M/O for spreading pure partisan poppycock during these Democratic Party freak shows.....

 

ruckus: a row or commotion
I've not read anything suggesting that is true

 

We can never know that 100%. But given ALL the people that told him he lost the election, and the paucity of evidence suggesting he was right, the most obvious options would seem to be he was lying or he was divorced from reality.

 

I think Schiff is hoping something/anything will stick to the wall through the dog and pony show and then he'll reveal that it was the "proof" he was referring to. Thus he hopes his pseudo knowledge will impress the rubes that believe in his bs.

 

https://democracyswindle.blogspot.com/2016/04/how-many-votes-does-super-delegate.html
Democracy eh?

"If a Super Delegate is counted at the convention like a regular delegate then that means that a Super Delegate from New York represents 7,300 voter in one vote; without debate and by their independent proclamation as a Super Delegates. No accountability, No democractic responsibility."

Hillary can **** off with her cries for "democracy"

 

thank you for telling us that there is no Republican party. Hopefully the Republicans who post here won't pay attention to your Democrat voting self and realize that they are in fact, Republicans

 

Yea, but you also have to consider all those that were whispering in his ears telling him the only way he could lose was if the election was rigged. We all face choices in who and what we believe. It's not unusual for people to believe lies. The religious are said to believe one of the biggest lies -- the existence of God. Yet there are millions upon millions that believe what atheists say is a lie.

 

Evidently, these are the accounts..

The group reportedly banged on doors of several Republican offices – including that of Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy of California, Jim Jordan of Ohio and Lauren Boebert of Colorado -- as they allegedly filmed a skit for Colbert's "Late Show" program that was to center around the January 6 hearings.


The horror. Isn't that was Sandy said sent her into puddles of tears? "Boom... Boom... Boom...' I do believe that was a direct quote.

 

Link? I've read a couple of reports and not seen that.

 

From the original accounts..
https://www.foxnews.com/media/several-cbs-employees-colbert-arrested-capitol-for-unlawful-entry

But you won't find that on the other outlets. It is also a part of the arrest record, regardless of what the clown Colbert says on his own show. They "went after" republicans, including the minority leader. Kinds of sounds "eerily" familiar, doesn't it. Like the exact kind of BS liberal talking heads, and AOC for that matter sent them into PTSD induced puddles of shyte...

 

Do you have evidence ANYONE was telling him that? Because it's easy imagine Trump making those claims all on his own.