Roe overturned

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  1. Heartburn

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    This is not going to be an all or nothing issue. There are rational people on both sides of it that understand compromise to fit needs when the chaos settles down.
     
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    That which combines to corrupt is not empathy, but deceit, and a curse on the nation.
     
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    This isn't a recent breakdown as the Judiciary has been broken down by political stances for a solid 40 years now. Nothing new, just the mass histeria the mass media is trying to inflict on motivating people to take hard line stances and deflect from other problems our government has itself involved with. In other words, this is a blessing for the Left wing political section being they were in dire straights due to inflation and gas prices. Now, they will ride this as hard as they can to deflect any attention to the economy.

    Anyways, I am independent riding more right than left due to the left turning far left but am Pro-Abortion. At least states can dictate their own abortion laws while people can still get abortions whenever they want even in outlawed states simply by crossing a border.
     
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  4. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually -- I did waste some precious time reading the "rational" for the ruling ..and that was disheartening. The Constitution does not say abortion is up to the states -- you have no clue what you are talking about.

    You then blather on about minoity children that don't exist .. and racists that don't exist "sounds like a real winner" Who told you a single human cell is a child .. Pastor Joe who heard it from the Pope ?

    States are not allowed to make law that conflicts with Federal Law .. they are also expected to uphold the founding principles .. not allowed to violate rule of law principles .. and so on You have no idea what principles are being violated and/or just don't care .. and so you don't care.
     
  5. LangleyMan

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    My wife taught Family Studies for 30+ years and was involved in creating a high school studies completion program for girls who chose to continue their pregnancies. She helped create an option for young women who without it may have chosen abortion.
    Oh, you wish. You rightwing religious types hijacked the Republican Party and today spew BS about how anyone who disagrees with you is a liberal.

    I think trying to convince a woman to continue her pregnancy is despicable. Advice should be neutral and supportive.
     
  6. ricmortis

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    Then how are states capable of making Cannabis legal when it is illegal under federal law?
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    Yes, I was commenting on her participation in efforts to convince pregnant women to continue a pregnancy in the guise of helping her.

    You folks should leave your personal agenda at the door.
     
  8. Richard Franks

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    Thank you/
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    Fetus =/= baby.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Your "life" has to be defined for you?

    From our founding document

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life"

    And from the Constitution which protects those self-evidence unalienable Rights

    " nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

    " nor shall any State deprive any person of life,"

    What exactly is your confusion?

    There are a host of online dictionaries if you still don't know what is life and I already cited the various medical textbooks that YOUR life began when you were concieved.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who told you babies were not human ? Wasn't me . so don't be blaming me for those extremist voices in your head ..or who ever it was filling your head with such nonsense .. and on the basis of this nonsense .. wish to force your religious beliefs on others through physical violance.

    "Murder is always Extreme" Exactly .. which is why your claim that a single human cell is a human .. is extremist .. and worse .. extremism based on fallacy and patent nonsense.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and good for you. What you should also celebrate .. hopefully one day .. is figuring out that a single human cell is not a human :)
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    Of good grief not that totally dispelled against all science and fact argument. The mother and baby are separate beings, the womb is designed to insure they are separate beings the baby is NEVER a "part of" the mother.
     
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    The other poster is not confused .. it is your position that is confused .. claiming a single human cell is a person such that the above legislation applies.

    So who is confused here .. when was it that the SCOTUS ruled that the single cell at conception was defacto "a person" - with rights including the right to life ? did I miss that memo .. or is it you who is confused ?
     
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    At what stage is it no longer a single cell? How many cells does it take to be consider living?
     
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    Says the fellow who claims to have taken college biology . but can't figure out that the single cell at conception is not baby .. and that the 200 clones that follow are thus not 200 babies.

    and lose the assumed premise fallacy - entering into a debate on whether the zygote is "baby" and giving no support for claim other than repeating your premise over and over .. like a parrot on a broken record.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have a ton of respect for independents who refuse to buy into a party.
     
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    Actually, it does. Those things not expressly outlined within the constitution are left to the states. Again, it is right there in the document. Sorry, that this fact escaped you. And yes, we note that since the adoption of Roe in 1973, the VAST majority of abortions were provided to minorities. These are the statistics, and the facts. It does seem, given the propensity to situate these abortion clinics in low income mostly minority neighborhoods that those doing the choosing are actively targeting these populations. And yes, we all know democrats never changed their spots. Racism lives deeply in your party. Hate of folks you feel superior to. We see it every day in your rhetoric. The willingness to force your will on others, and attack the most vulnerable using abortion. Yup. We get it.

    Do try to educate yourself. The only federal abortion law is the Hyde Amendment. States regulate in concert with federal regulations ALL THE TIME. So, the remarkable thing here is that you've written such a demonstrable false set of assertions here, based on what is obviously a really slim knowledge of the law.
     
  19. LangleyMan

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    Women are 2nd class citizens in your America.
     
  20. Giftedone

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    Two silly questions.

    1) At what stage is the zygote no longer a single cell ? When it ceases to exist .. after the first mitotic division .. which resultes in two identical clones of the parent ... both totipotent .. both individually able to create a new human....

    2) how many cells to be considered living ? None - depending on the definition of "living" .. its debated whether or not a virus is alive .. but in general a single human cell is all that is required for an organism to be considered alive.
     
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    There are a lot of independents around.
     
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    Yes you should study some instead of making such uninformed claims that the baby in the womb is a part of the mother or that 200 babies are created at conception.

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    https://www.womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/getting-ready-baby/health-care-baby

    Yep it's a baby, a child, an infant.....................just unborn.
     
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    When you were in your single cell stage of life you were a human being just as you are now. You were alive and well and your life had begun and you were endowed at your creation with that self evidence right to your life that had just begun.

    And you do know that you were only a single cell for less than 48 hours?
     
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    Again, a baseless assertion. Why do you continue to make them.
     
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    How does a woman have the choice not to be pregnant if she was raped?
    She may have been date raped using a drug of some kind and not realise for a couple of months.
     
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