High school football coach scores big win at Supreme Court over post-game prayer

Did you send your opinion to the supreme court of this nation? Sounds like they need your expertise.

 

Actually this was listed in one of the dissents but the only thing the illegitimate court needs is impeachment

 

Why do you hate democracy?

 

Prayer in public squares does not equal a theocracy. Japan has a strong religious background, but they're a monarchy.

 

During a non-academic event and after school hours? No problem whatsoever. Heck, in this case it was even after the game had ended, as I understand it.

 

I think they have a better idea of what is legitimate than cd8ed on political forum.

 

A theocracy can be a democracy, dictatorship, monarchy, or just about any other kind of government. Japan is pretty much 50/50 Shinto/Buddhist so I don't see how it could become theocracy.

As for prayer in schools, it goes back to Engel v. Vitale in 1962.

Yes. I never heard of this case before. I believe the argument was that he was coercing kids to pray with him, and I think it was by fact that the players would do anything to earn the coaches favor.

 

I don't care about those players I care about the players over whom he has authority, and BTW some of the coaches from those other teams were blatantly joining in.

And I think the school did and of course that has always been the issue and thus the "lemon test" that had long been upheld

"Kavanaugh also suggested he was sympathetic to the school’s argument that Kennedy coerced players to participate in his prayer circles, however, noting that “every player’s trying to get on the good side of the coach.”"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...ch-who-was-fired-for-praying/?sh=1fff73c31895

I explained how it is coercive in my original post.

 

Of course there can be a penalty. Never played or had a son or grandson play for a coach who can use their position of power over the players and whether they make the team in the first place and then if they get to play at all and for some their whole future depends on it.

Remember the girl gymnist and they were told they had to go through those sexually molesting "examines" else not be able to be on the team. Please don't even try to suggest the adults in these positions have HUGH power and influence over the children.

 

Wow, kinda shoots the "speaking in tongues" thing down, doesn't it?

 

I know some people who insist in joining hands and bowing heads to pray in restaurants and I always felt a little weird about it.

 

Aren't they the same thing? If someone is forcing facets of their religion, like blue laws, or anti-abortion laws, and I don't follow that religion, doesn't that count for infringement OF my religion?

 

Yes they are a government official, they are working for the govenment, the local public school, and are in charge of those government school children. Government includs the federal, the state and the local.

Yes elected government officials.

They did not want the the power of govenrment and the power of religious faith to be mixed because they have seen the history of Europe and Great Britian.

The fact is there is great need for this religious display and ceremony this man is trying to engage in so he can be the hero of the day and be on Fox News this morning as the great martyr he is there to coach football and run the team and the game and then go home and he can pray all he wants when he is NOT on the job and in charge of those student athelites over whom he has such power and influence and can ruin their futures in sports simply because they didn't join him in his religious ceremonies.

 

Weird because someone else is doing it or weird when they expect you to participate?
I've seen other groups who do it, and it doesn't bother me, but when I'm part of a group who does it, and I'm "expected" to join in, I agree with you, feels uncomfortable, participating in something you don't really believe in.

 

I remember attending a Jr. ROTC end of the year banquet with a couple we were good friends with and both our daughters were ROTCies. This of course a school sponored event at the school, public school. We sat down to eat and the person MCing announce a local preacher to the podium. He then gave a prayer and at the end said "and we pray in Jesus name for only through Jesus can we seek our way to heaven blah blah blah" I looked up a our friends who were giving their other two younger children a "it's all right we'll explain later" look. They happened to be Jewish.

Watch this...............this is proselytizing.

 

When it is the coach of student athelites they have profound impact on those players lives.

 

Participating. To me it feels like its what the Bible warns about (praying in public).

I am Christian, but doing it in a restaurant is weird. As for seeing others do it, - it does not bother me one bit.

 

I quoted you verbatim, who's not being honest? I don't care what you and I did, the case as presented is what's being discussed. Yes he prayed middle of the field after a game others willfully joined, he was fired wrongfully.

 

Sorry, I no longer respond to purposefully misleading suppositions..

If you'd like to restate the question in a way consistent with this thread, I'd be glad to tell you why I oppose this concept.

 

It's going be awfully lonely here for you if others apply the same standard to your posts.

 

Despite your distaste for it, religious folks are allowed to pray in public areas. Perhaps you would be happier if you learned to concern yourself more with your own behavior and less with the orderly behavior of others.

 

It's not the same thing. You're allowed to practice your religion. You are not allowed to stop others from practicing theirs.

 

What on earth is "misleading" about it? What a disingenuous little dodge. But it's a shoe that seems to fit you perfectly, so you go ahead & rock those kicks! It's really impressive.

 

A sad day for the Constitution and the USA as a whole.

 

All the anti American christian-talibaners like you will rejoice.