Kyiv:Ukrainian forces advance deep into Russian Defense lines in Kharkiv region.

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    Negative not the case as you stated. The US started training the Ukrainian military in 2015 in Ukraine by 2015 There are Al least three news sources I found in seconds. Jun25,2015, Jul 25, 2015, Nov 3, 2015. I have also been a member of a group of US Veterans who have had met visiting Ukrainian military officers who also have come here for military training. No Obama dkes not get all the credit because the Congress approved the training. Trump does not get the credit either because the training started 1 1/2 before Trump took over in 2017. Trump tried to stop weapons allocation for Ukraine when he (Trump) tried to back mail Ukrainian president Volodomyr Zalenskyy by saying (but do us a favor) and Trump wanted at the minimum for Zalenskyy to say Ukraine is investigating. Zalenskyy smartly refused to participate in Trump’s fraud. Since Congress already approved military aid to Ukraine the aid was released but only after Col. Vindman put his career on the line and blew the whistle to the IG. Obviously now that Trump is out of office and Russia invaded Ukraine aid is flowing.
     
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    Trump is an excellent fund raiser but he uses the money for his own purposes.
     
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    Russia did not invade The Krym ( Crimea ) until 2014. Russia was leasing the naval base in Sevatopyl from Ukraine since 1991 when the USSR role apart so Russia had forces in the Krym already.
     
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    Putin has pined about the loss of the Soviet empire the last 31 years. Putin sees himself as a Czar and wants to restore the Czarist Russian empire.
    Complimenting Putin is not as filthy as Trump trashing our intel agencies and Trump trashed our intel agencies solely for his own gain. The intel agencies new that Russia was involved in our election process on Trumps side in 2015 and 2020. Trump obviously never wanted that fact to come out in open.
     
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    Trump's opposition has had 7 years to expose Trump for using political donations of non-political expenses. IOW, it is fair to say they can't find any evidence that it has happened.
     
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    You are ignoring facts. He also received donations and used them for his legal fees for defense for his legal wrong doings and if he is indicted he will use the donations for his criminal defense.
     
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    You are simply saying untrue things. Obama refused to give any actual weapons and had an explicit "no lethal aid to Ukraine" policy. Even CNN admits it.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...tary-aid-sheets-pillows-fact-check/index.html
     
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    US secret police/spy agencies have been trashed by their own long history of rather consistent failure. OTOH, there is evidence that some elements of US intelligence have performed brilliantly in Ukraine at least since 2014.
    The RP and Trump attacks on US intelligence and The Bidens' activities in Ukraine have always seemed as especially stupid and partisan.
     
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    All these unsupported charges against Trump have expanded his political base and undermined the credibility of the corrupt bipartisan ruling political class that opposes him. Ordinary professional politicians can be damaged by unsupported late election cycle smears -- Trump is immune.

    At this point only undeniable well documented proof can put a dent in him.
    OTOH, the DP/RP establishment could challenge positions on the issues -- that might actually have some real political impact.
    But why would the slick pros want to do that? ;-)
     
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    Crimea was the easy target, but they still used the local militia fig leaf to hide what was in fact an act of naked aggression. That tactic worked elsewhere until it was stopped by very competent US backed defense forces in Dnipro.
     
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    What .” unsubstantiated “ charges?? He has not been charged with a criminal charge yet. He has yet to be charged as a criminal.
     
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    I doubt it that Russia will have the stronghold of Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant and any annexation of any of Ukraine's territories. Putin will go down and down he will go.
     
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    Ukraine Conflict Updates

    Key Takeaways



    • The Ukrainian counteroffensive that began in Kharkiv Oblast has not yet culminated and is actively pushing into Luhansk Oblast.
    • Russian President Vladimir Putin took measures to assert full Russian control over the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP).
    • Russian forces conducted the first strike on Kyiv Oblast since June with a Shahed-136 drone.
    • The Head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, announced that Putin awarded him the rank of Colonel-General.
    • Increasing domestic critiques of Russia’s “partial mobilization” are likely driving Putin to scapegoat the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and specifically Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
    • Ukrainian troops likely consolidated positions and regrouped in northern Kherson Oblast after making major gains over in the last 48 hours.
    • Russian sources reported Ukrainian offensive preparations northwest, west, and northeast of Kherson City.
    • Russian forces continued ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast on October 5.
    • Russian milbloggers continued to criticize the implementation of the Russian “partial mobilization” on October 5.
    • Russian citizens who are economically disadvantaged and ethnic minority Russian communities continue to bear a disproportionate burden in mobilization rates and casualty rates according to investigative reports, suggesting that Russian authorities may be deliberately placing poor and minority Russian citizens in more dangerous positions than well-off or ethnic Russians.
    • Russian President Vladimir Putin completed the final formality in the process for illegally annexing Russian-occupied Ukrainian territories on October 5. . . .
    Ukraine’s northern Kharkiv counteroffensive has not yet culminated after one month of successful operations and is now advancing into western Luhansk Oblast. Ukrainian forces captured Hrekivka and Makiivka in western Luhansk Oblast (approximately 20 km southwest of Svatove) on October 5.[1] Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai reported that Ukrainian forces have begun liberating unspecified villages in Luhansk Oblast on October 5.[2] Ukrainian forces began the maneuver phase of their counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast— which has now reached Luhansk Oblast—on September 6.[3] Russian forces have failed to hold the banks of the Oskil and Siverskyi Donets rivers and leverage them as natural boundaries to prevent Ukrainian forces from projecting into vulnerable sections of Russian-occupied northeast Ukraine. The terrain in western Luhansk is suitable for the kind of rapid maneuver warfare that Ukrainian forces used effectively in eastern Kharkiv Oblast in early September, and there are no indications from open sources that the Russian military has substantially reinforced western Luhansk Oblast. Ukraine’s ongoing northern and southern counteroffensives are likely forcing the Kremlin to prioritize the defense of one area of operations at the expense of another, potentially increasing the likelihood of Ukrainian success in both. . . .

    Ukrainian forces likely consolidated positions in northern Kherson Oblast and regrouped on October 5 as Russian troops attempted to recover from recent Ukrainian advances. Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command confirmed on October 4 that Ukrainian troops liberated Lyubimivka, Khreshchenivka, Zolta Balka, Bilyaivka, Ukrainka, Velyka Oleksandrivka, Mala Oleksandrivka and Davydiv Brid as ISW assessed on October 4.[25] The Ukrainian General Staff noted that recent Ukrainian success are forcing Russian troops to evacuate the wounded to crossings on the Dnipro River and that Russian forces moved over 150 wounded servicemen to Vesele, located across the Dnipro from Nova Kakhkovka.[26] Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command also claimed that Russian forces are destroying their own ammunition reserves during withdrawal, likely to prevent Ukrainian forces from capturing ammunition and equipment as they advance.[27] Russian milbloggers previously criticized poorly conducted Russian withdrawals and routs in Kharkiv Oblast in early September that saw much Russian equipment and supplies abandoned and lost to Ukrainian forces.

    Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian troops are preparing for offensive operations northwest of Kherson City on October 5. Several milbloggers reported that Ukrainian troops are building up their grouping around Posad Pokrovske (25km northwest of Kherson City), Oleksandrivka (35km west of Kherson City) and Ternovi Pody (25km northwest of Kherson City).[28] Several sources also reported fighting near Snihurivka (45km northeast of Kherson City).[29] Social media users amplified claims that Russian troops have entirely withdrawn from Snihurivka, which were refuted by Mykolaiv Oblast Head Vitaly Kim, who noted that Russian army officers left the city but that Russian troops remain.[30] Based on these conflicting reports, it is highly likely that Russian command may be withdrawing from Snihurivka in anticipation of Ukrainian attacks but that the core Russian contingent remains within the city. Russian sources are evidently focused on Ukrainian activity northwest of Kherson City due to concerns that Ukrainian forces are setting conditions for advances directly towards Kherson City. Russian forces’ loss of Snihurivka would be a significant development given the city’s position on the western side of the Inhulets River. Russian forces’ loss of control over the Inhulets River would further isolate Kherson City from the east and increase the city’s vulnerability to a Ukrainian encirclement. . . .
     
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    This is how it works in the non-partisan world:
    7 years of investigations by his partisan enemies find nothing = exoneration.

    That is why, "at this point only undeniable well documented proof can put a dent in him.
    OTOH, the DP/RP establishment could challenge positions on the issues -- that might actually have some real political impact." Ddy
     
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    I no no…there was no exoneration. Trump was given a pass on the Russia investigation and the black mail phone call. Barr when he was interviewed a out a year after admitted in a nuance way that his “report” on the Russia traitorous crime was not correct. Come on we all saw how quick art issued his cherry picked “report” after the Mueller investigation came out. art was about as fast as Putin with that turd’s sham referendum “results.” Only difference between Barr and Putin’s “report” is that Putin had the results written before the sham referendum, Barr wrote his so called report a couple hours after it was officially issued.I am sure Barr already had most ifif not all of the Mueller report before it was issued.
    As for the Moskva PeeParty allegation WGAS! I bet Trump maybe on,y watched or it was BS. AS far as the P#####See pulley admission by Trump even if true again WGAS. Trump did enough damage and traitorous acts to our country, NATO, and our intel agencies that PxxxSee puling is is high school antics.
     
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    That's how things work in the partisan world, actually. It's in that world where people generalize "investigations" and repeat the "exonerated" lie. Insufficient evidence is not an exoneration. Trump successfully blocking investigations, in large part thanks to presidential immunity, is not exoneration.

    But he is a manipulator, so he always shouts the same lies repeatedly. If it weren't for politics being involved, few would pay any attention, let alone believe his lies. It's the same tactic he has used for decades, obstructing and telling big lies, only now it matters and now he suddenly has millions of die-hard fans because of a political banner.
     
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    1. Trumps enemies have had 7 years to prove that Trump is a traitor -- more than long enough.
    2. Why would anyone assume that Bob Barr is a Trump supporter?

    Trump will win or lose based on his positions on the issues, but the DP's leaders refuse to engage Trump where he is weakest. Astonishing.

    Meanwhile:

    https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/g...offensive-more-territory-regained/8175464001/
     
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    More generalizing.
     
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    When 7 years of investigations and hearing finds "insufficient evidence" it is total political exoneration.

    The attacks on Trump are ineffective. OTOH, he has become very vulnerable on the issues of the day. His enemies seem determined to let him coast on his 2016 campaign talking points.

    IMO, Not smart, but what do I know -- right? ;-)
     
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    You're just repeating nonsense. We have had several years of obstructed Congressional investigations and only 1-2 years of investigations by various agencies that are still ongoing, especially in Georgia and New York, but apparently also by the DOJ, and things don't look good for him in any of those investigations. Things have been moving forward in these investigations despite the Don's best efforts at obstruction and delay.
     
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    IMO, the impeachment was a waste of time and political resources. It did not work for the DP, and it did nothing to push Trump to be a more effective President for the USA.
     
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    1 year of partisan rage was enough. After that all the years of political persecution only served to damage Trump's critics and make him stronger politically.
     

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