Slain University of Idaho Students Were Killed With ‘Edged Weapon,’ Cops Reveal

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  1. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

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    How tragic! I wonder what the motive will turn out to be. Doubtless there will be a debate about banning 'edged weapons':
     
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    I agree that it is tragic especially when people so young are so senselessly murdered.

    I doubt, however that there will be nearly the amount of hue and cry from the usual opportunists who prey on similar tragedies in which the weapon of choice is a firearm.
     
  3. Steve N

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    Well, the the opportunists had their chance with the UVA shootings, but strangely enough they have been uncharacteristically quiet. I wonder why?
     
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    The State of VA is a lost cause in terms of gun regulation...
     
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  5. Steve N

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    Let me ask you something. When there’s a shooting, how do people determine if it’s the fault of the gun or shooter? I think I have a pretty good idea how the left makes that determination.

    BTW, the state of VA didn’t kill anyone. I would suggest that you look up who is doing the most killing and place blame where it belongs.
     
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    The only thing that surprised me was no firearm was used. Using a knife usually indicates something personal towards one or more. What will be interesting is who was first, who was next, and who was last, how many times, etc. Those details can offer why it happened, or at least speculate. And the final question is who and I suspect it is someone they knew.
     
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    To answer your question: "I wonder why", I'd have to guess that the killer was Black and the firearm he used was not an "assault rifle" but I'm just a "Scratch n' Dent", old White guy so what do I know.
     
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    There will never be enough "gun regulation" to either keep criminals from breaking the law or appease those whose true goal is the total disarming of only law abiding gun owners.
     
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    More likely indicates he/she didnt have access to a firearm imo.
     
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    I wonder if the roommates know anything:
     
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    A murderer will commit murder by any means. Some use gasoline, some use cars, some use swords, some use guns while others use knives. Matter of fact, 3x as many people where murdered with knives in 2021 than with rifles.
     
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    He knows, but the left will never outwardly acknowledge it.

    culture is the issue. A nation where men are increasingly lost, rejecting masculinity due to it being demonized, and have a complete lack of control of their emotions turns a world into a dangerous place.
     
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    Are you saying Texas isn't a lost cause for gun regulations? You were pretty vocal about Uvalde... Maybe its the color of the victims skin that determines if a Democrat should be angry or not?!
     
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    You may not be all that far off. The headline about this on the FOX site mentions a "Rambo style" knife or a "survivalist style" knife by which they mean a Ka-Bar. That's pretty much heading in the direction of "assault style knife with serrations intended to inflict the most damage possible" and a design that "allows even an inexperienced knifer to slice and dice their opponent at a rate a Ginsu never could help to achieve".
     
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    Its because they're not being indoctrinated to care. Outside Idaho, this is just a quick blurb in the news if anything. People arent being bombarded (programmed) with sob stories about it every hour. Just like when '4 shot at the liquor and pawn on 39th, more at 11' is all they get on their local news, they get to ignore it.
     
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    A few possibilities seem plausible to me at this stage (given in no particular order):
    - a Muslim immigrant / refugee (they seem to have a habit of knifing people when they go postal)
    - an incel / stalker, Elliott-Rodger-style sort of thing, but with a knife instead (several of the victims were rather attractive young ladies)
    - some sort of polycule / love triangle jealousy domestic violence on steroids (as you suggested, stabbing several people to death takes a bit of work and a lot of hate, might suggest an existing relationship between the stabber and the stabbees, or at least some of them)
     
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    Most murders are crimes of opportunity. This was not a crime of opportunity. This was intentional. It was in the early hours of the morning. Nothing of value was taken that the police is aware of. The autopsy could not determine who was killed first but did not describe the details of how many knife wounds were there on each of the victims. Just confirmed that they were killed by a "Big Knife."
     
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    I think it was someone they knew. Probably known as an acquaintance or through class or other extracurricular activities. If there is DNA on the scene, it will take a few weeks to determine who that person is, if that person is in the system. But it could be a college or former college student who still lives in the area. But I am sure the detectives are first trying to fill in the time line, look at who saw them last, go from inward out sort of thing.
     
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    I think that it is noteworthy that the deadliest mass killing in America was not with an "assault rifle" or any other type of firearm but with only one dollar's worth of gasoline.(1)

    A killer who couldn't find a gun to kill just one person ended up killing 86 people in addition to his original target.

    Additionally, the deadliest school mass killing also was not done with any type of firearm but a simple home made bomb (2) that killed 44 people.
    That was over 90 years ago and no school related mass killing with a firearm has been nearly as deadly.

    My concern is that when and if firearms become even harder to get, mass killers will simply resort to using much deadlier WMDs such as Anthrax and similar toxins, home made bombs, Molotov Cocktails etc.

    There's a reason that there are over 60 countries around the world that prohibit private gun ownership AND still have higher homicide rates than the US.

    Thanks,





    (1) "Happy Land fire"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

    Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


    (2) "Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town"
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...chool-massacre-180963355/#KSipwm4IUrIbB9uc.99

    EXCERPTS "In the end 44 people died, 38 of them students. It wasn’t the first bombing in the country’s history—at least eight were killed during the Haymarket Square rally in Chicago in 1886, and 30 when a bomb exploded in Manhattan in 1920. But none had been so deadly as this, or affected so many children."CONTINUED


    (3) "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings
     
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    I'm curious about the story of the two roommates that survived, apparently unharmed. Did they sleep through the killings? Were they passed out drunk / high? Did they hear what was going on and just hid? Seems weird that a 911 call wasn't made for hours if they'd been aware of what happened (and even then, it was about an "unconscious person on the road" rather than "hey, my 4 friends all got stabbed to death"), but then ... how is one unaware of 4 people being brutally stabbed to death in the same house as you? It seems likely that it was not a quiet event. Even more curious that both of them were seemingly unaware.
     
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    Here is the video of the two girls at a food truck earlier that evening:



    Seems pretty obvious at least the girl in the tight pink shirt is hammered.

    The man in the light-colored hoodie with the dark jacket has been the subject of a lot of curiosity by the public. I'll say that it does seem like an odd time to put the brim of his hat facing forward and pull the hood of his hoodie up over his head. That's not conclusive proof of anything, but if it's just a random coincidence, it's one that is probably not going to endear him to investigators.

    PROTIP: try to not get caught on camera looking shady with two girls that turn up stabbed to death a few hours later.
     
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    As horrible as it is, the knife obviously stabbed them.
     
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    They will probably investigate through his phone and interviews where he was from early that day to the next day, verify everything, and rule whether further investigation is warranted or not. Since no suspects have been named, either the police are still conducting their research or he has been ruled out.
     
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    This story is like something out of a Horror movie, almost like a real life Michael Myers thing. That video is pretty compelling, because when you look at it, the guy in the Hoodie is obviously keeping track of those two girls and following them. Until they catch this guy, this story is only going to grow, because of the sheer brutality of it. Can't imagine the horror of what happened in that house with those 4 students and Moscow Idaho obviously has a Monster among them. I've been to Moscow Idaho and it seems like the last place on Earth something like this would happen, but knowing what happened, if I lived there I'd be on High alert and assume that anybody breaking into my home was this murdering monster and a serious ventilating would be in order. I have a friend that is a former Police officer and he told me once that if you knew how many dangerous criminals you bumped elbows with everyday, you'd probably not leave your house, that always resonated with me and is motivation to conceal carry ALL! the time. My motto is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, sucks we have to live with that mindset in todays society.
     
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    Really?

    Link.

    Maybe you were being cute when you said 'rifles' rather than 'guns.'
     

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